Alternate planning and C70

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Delta Echo

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Hello all,

Just wondering what policy your airline follows regarding alternate selection for release planning and whether you are limited to just your C70 or can use an approved list? IE: Jepp charts.

Up until recently my airline was allowed to use either the C70 or approved list for alternate planning. However we now have been instructed to strictly select from the C70 and if a diversion or change in destination to an airport unlisted in the C70 occurs an emergency must be declared.
 
Unless you are operating supplemental, C70 is the only authorized list of airports you may operate. The only thing I can think is your company maintained a list that reflected the C70, which seems like an invitation to violate if they fail to maintain it...
 
C70 only... We had a flight diversion last summer to KIWA (PHX Mesa) due to TS/LLWS when we were heading trying to get into PHX. It wasn't the prettiest process getting the aircraft out of there and back to PHX.
 
I think part of the problem at my airline starts with the clause in C70 that states alternates must be listed or on an approved list. The next problem is a certain training manager who has been insistent that list is reflected by our Jepp charts. However, further inquiry shows the approved list is that, an actual list, though I don't know why the airports there wouldn't be included on the C70.

Personally, I stick with the C70s for planning, but this issue has been a subject of debate where I am at. Another unhelpful factor was our former POI/FSDO simply didn't press the issue or looked the other way, which is a different story with our current POI/FSDO group that has many years 121 experience and pressed this issue.
 
Delta Echo said:
I think part of the problem at my airline starts with the clause in C70 that states alternates must be listed or on an approved list. The next problem is a certain training manager who has been insistent that list is reflected by our Jepp charts. However, further inquiry shows the approved list is that, an actual list, though I don't know why the airports there wouldn't be included on the C70.

Personally, I stick with the C70s for planning, but this issue has been a subject of debate where I am at. Another unhelpful factor was our former POI/FSDO simply didn't press the issue or looked the other way, which is a different story with our current POI/FSDO group that has many years 121 experience and pressed this issue.
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If your present POI has any sense at all, I would expect that "alternate list" nonsense to go away right quick. Either way you can't go wrong using C70.
 
pljenkins said:
If your present POI has any sense at all, I would expect that "alternate list" nonsense to go away right quick. Either way you can't go wrong using C70.
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I agree. Hopefully what will result is a master list of cities to be approved and added to the C70 for alternates.
 
Since coming to my current gig, we've had a couple changes in policy. We had C070 that only listed Regular, Provisional, and Refueling airports and a separate list in the appendix for Alternate, Supplemental, and Maintenance airports (which was basically a list of the jepp covered airports we maintained in the custom set).

A few years ago the alternates were moved to C70 in a revision due to a change from the FAA (new POI, New AFS-400, whoever,... new person has a "better" idea than the last person).
 
In all seriousness if I can get away NA I do. One less airport to worry about.
 
DispatcherSam said:
Giving an alternate is like giving them an option to quit, so I say don't do it. Same with anything above min fuel. I'm trying to run a streamlined operation here and there's no time for them to get creative in the air.
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That is FUNNY, yet insightful at the same time.

Never viewed it that way.
 
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McCrosky said:
I try to use the origin as the alternate when required. It keeps my weather and NOTAM reading to a minimum. So what if I'm using SDF as an alternate for PDX, give me lots of options.

Im joking of course, I don't read weather or NOTAMS.
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What are these NOTAMS's you speak of?
 
There seriously are people I work with who do not read the NOTAMS, then they sometimes wind up with bigger problems and it's everyone else's faults but their own.
 
Failure to read NOTAMS seems like an excellent way to abbreviate your career, and quite possibly spectacularly at that. Kind of like sending 180 armed American troops to a closed airport in Italy and discovering that error when the aircraft is descending...

See that little flashing red light in the corner of your eye? That's your career dissipation light going into overdrive!
 
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