alaskadrifter
Landing gear operator
I’d love for this discussion to stay on topic.
What do the HAL pilots want to see replace the 717?
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What do the HAL pilots want to see replace the 717?
Roger Roger
Bottom of the list
I don’t know what they want, but I would eat my shiny new luly yang hat right in front of Dave M if it doesn’t end up being some flavor of guppy
alaskadrifter
Landing gear operator
My guess is more Max 8s, they have the performance to do all the Arctic flying, the greater fuel burn on short legs won’t make a big difference, and they could still fly them to the islands. Engine start times might make quick turns a little slower for inter-island flying (but I don’t know if that’s ultimately a deal breaker). Max 7s would be cool, but if management wanted them I think they would have ordered them already.
BobDDuck
Island Bus Driver
The dream was 220s, until guys found the plane comes ETOPS certified out of the boxn and they might get stuck having to fly more than 30 minutes per leg.
Then (because of all the former Skywest guys) it was all about the 190. But you can't get surfboards loaded in the bin on those, so that won't work.
There was a brief moment of clarity around used 319s that would just get used until they died and then cycled out for another one, but that idea kind of evaporated.
The current hotness is the 717 until it can't run anymore.
Any max or neo would work as long as they get cycled out with longer legs (and out of the salt spray environment) frequently. Turn times would be a bit slower though and that's a problem over the course of an operating day.
Then (because of all the former Skywest guys) it was all about the 190. But you can't get surfboards loaded in the bin on those, so that won't work.
There was a brief moment of clarity around used 319s that would just get used until they died and then cycled out for another one, but that idea kind of evaporated.
The current hotness is the 717 until it can't run anymore.
Any max or neo would work as long as they get cycled out with longer legs (and out of the salt spray environment) frequently. Turn times would be a bit slower though and that's a problem over the course of an operating day.
killbilly
Vocals, Lyrics, Triangle, Washboard, Kittens
Our 220s are not ETOPS certified although rumors abound that we are working on it.
There’s a LOT of options on the 220 that we didn’t buy.
Roger Roger
Bottom of the list
I heard from a check airman whose girlfriend’s uncle works at Boeing that they’re developing an N1 brake to fit to the #2 engine so you can leave it running during turns easier
bimmerphile
MCAS Meat Inhibition Logic
what’s the shortest strip they take a 717 into?
///AMG
Well-Known Member
Couldn't possibly be shorter than say, our JNU-GST, or WRG-PSG legs right? I don't really know, just guessing
BobDDuck
Island Bus Driver
That it regularly goes into... probably Lihue at 6000 feet. It can theoretically make it into Molokai at 4500 feet, but it's not pretty and it's not regularly scheduled service. The plane doesn't have great brakes.
Probably not. HNL - OGG is 88 miles I think? Or maybe that's HNL- LIH? It's been a while since I've flown inter Island legs. I think KOA - OGG is probably the shortest though.
Ironically, the shortest legs I've done since I got out here have been on the 330, doing Honolulu to K-Bay, and Osan to Incheon.
///AMG
Well-Known Member
PAJN-PAGS is 40 nm if its VMC and you don't have to takeoff on RWY 26 (or vice versa return to 26 due to RWY 08 being socked in but 26 usable in PAJN). I haven't flown it yet, but the PAWG-PAPG leg is about 30 nm direct, and breathlessly vaunted as our shortest leg
Pretty wild about those 330 legs you mention though!
bimmerphile
MCAS Meat Inhibition Logic
800 (non SFP) works good with carbon brakes for the shorter runways and quick turns. the shortest we go into regularly are 6000’ but with PFC
if its like us just ship some old frames out there to corrode until they go to the boneyard
if its like us just ship some old frames out there to corrode until they go to the boneyard
Wardogg
Meat Popsicle
Wait. There’s commercial service into KBay now? Like PHNG KBay?
Skåning
Well-Known Member
The shortest runway we go to with no other options is SNA at 5,700’. I’d like to see service from there to Hawaii again.
BobDDuck
Island Bus Driver
DOD charter.
Roger Roger
Bottom of the list
What is PFC?
Skåning
Well-Known Member
Peculiar Flying Contraption
Autothrust Blue
PCU M/Y SPIRIT OF MELLIE
I'd imagine taking off is probably a bigger deal off of that runway for that airplane than landing would be.
bimmerphile
MCAS Meat Inhibition Logic
porous friction course, landing performance better than ungrooved
interesting data if you’d like to read more
ShortField
No one of consequence
Pure •in Concrete
BEEF SUPREME
Well-Known Member
What about PAWG to PAPG? Back when we were allowed to fly VFR. Before a few clowns ruined that by intentionally setting off the GPWS. Captains used to brag about how their “record was 7 minutes!”
When asking me to get a VFR clearance and file a VFR flight plan with Juneau radio of course…