Airvan GA10 Certified

What market is this though? The 207 market? The market for aircraft between 6 and 9 seats? The 206 (well an old 206) can carry around 1000 to 1200lbs legally, a Caravan carries about 2200 to 2600lbs legally? So this airplane is looking to carry 1600 to 1900lbs of stuff? Honestly, I really don't see a market for this in the US or Canada.
They're not targeting the US/Canada. Africa, Australia, Indonesia, etc are a much bigger market and expanding than US/Canada combined. Plus the Canucks are going to keep flying Beavers until they hit a century, and Cessna has the Alaska market locked with the Van.
 
I love flying the 'jo but there's a lot of truth in this.

Likewise. When I flew them at AMF, we had as many as 6 airplanes based in PHX, for as few as 3 runs, and it wasn't uncommon for MX to have to scramble to find 3 to send out flying.

They're not targeting the US/Canada. Africa, Australia, Indonesia, etc are a much bigger market and expanding than US/Canada combined. Plus the Canucks are going to keep flying Beavers until they hit a century, and Cessna has the Alaska market locked with the Van.

Exactly. Somebody might make it work in the US, but I was really just thinking outloud in terms of where it could be used. Even the Kodiak has barely made a dent into 208 sales, and it's more comparable than the GA10
 
Likewise. When I flew them at AMF, we had as many as 6 airplanes based in PHX, for as few as 3 runs, and it wasn't uncommon for MX to have to scramble to find 3 to send out flying.



Exactly. Somebody might make it work in the US, but I was really just thinking outloud in terms of where it could be used. Even the Kodiak has barely made a dent into 208 sales, and it's more comparable than the GA10
I'm having a lot of trouble seeing past the Airvans power to weight ratio though. Even the GA8 normally aspirated is 300 HP for a 4000 lb airplane, that same engine was used in the PA32 at 3400 or 3600 lbs depending on the year and it doesn't seem like it would be enough. This turbine one the numbers seem similar.
 
This could be a decent 206 replacement for outfits like MAF that pay an exorbitant amount for 100LL if it turns out to be a fair bit less expensive than a Kodiak Quest, but don't need a Caravan for certain bases.
 
I'm having a lot of trouble seeing past the Airvans power to weight ratio though. Even the GA8 normally aspirated is 300 HP for a 4000 lb airplane, that same engine was used in the PA32 at 3400 or 3600 lbs depending on the year and it doesn't seem like it would be enough. This turbine one the numbers seem similar.

I know quite a few people flying the GA8 these days - the chief complaint isn't the power to weight ratio, the big problems I hear about are all realted to the fact that the airplane was designed to operate in hot places and now operates in a cold place.
 
I know quite a few people flying the GA8 these days - the chief complaint isn't the power to weight ratio, the big problems I hear about are all realted to the fact that the airplane was designed to operate in hot places and now operates in a cold place.
Well, they're flying out of the YK delta right? Little different story than say central Africa on a 37° C day at a couple thousand feet elevation. Or even launching out of HNH runway 6 with a full boat.
 
I know quite a few people flying the GA8 these days - the chief complaint isn't the power to weight ratio, the big problems I hear about are all realted to the fact that the airplane was designed to operate in hot places and now operates in a cold place.

Depends on which side of the blast furnace your on. You get very little heat up front but that heat vent going to the back is huge and hot. I left my back pack in front of it once and it melted.

I had no problems once the bird was warmed up in negative temps. Usually once you were ready for take off at BET it was warm enough inside to take off your jacket.
 
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