Airshows shouldn't exist
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dustoff17
Still trying to reach the Top Shelf
Agreed!!
We should ban all people from driving on highways.
Area 5150
Model citizen, Zero discipline
Umm?!?!? How am I suppose to get to my next air show?
Put on your leather sandals, hop in your gluten-free Toyota Prius and drive. You Vegan Hipster.
Area 5150
Model citizen, Zero discipline
You forgot to mention my starbucks mega caffeine blaster and my hemp parka. My Prius is still illegal on a 'Banned' highway. I could die out there....then what?
killbilly
Vocals, Lyrics, Triangle, Washboard, Kittens
Someone moves up a seniority number?
SlumTodd_Millionaire
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Except that the people killed in this accident didn't attend the air show. They were driving by on a busy road at the time.
Besides, no one is suggesting that air shows be completely banned. Just keep them away from populated areas. Is that really so difficult?
Area 5150
Model citizen, Zero discipline
Yes?
Let's ban water too. Besides, Brawndo is better for us anyway!
People who have drown in water: A millionty
People who have drown in Brawndo: Zerosky.
What say you, Internette? TELL OBAMA TO END WATER NAO!
ATN and Seggy star in this video. Can you guess who is who?
ctab5060X
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From the article: "but I genuinely think air shows should be banned with immediate effect."
Post #2:
"Agree with him completely."
Just sayin'
z987k
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Doesn't stop anyone who doesn't care to have a medical. Or a rating for that matter.
And if you see one doing twirlly worlls and loop-de-loo's, run. Run very far and fast.
Why does the TSA come by? There are no passengers to screen.
crticalaoa
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or touch?
Inverted
mmmmmm wine
Giggity!
AAPalmTree
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No
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ChasenSFO
hen teaser
This was a freak accident, as far as the plane hitting the road. I base this on the fact that there were very limited populated areas in the vastly wide-open countryside which the aircraft was preforming above, and the aircraft happened to collide with what was likely the one densely populated spot in that vast area.
Will accidents happen at airshows? Yes. Do the precautions taken at airshows do a pretty good job of making sure the inertia of aircraft during the routines don't hurdle them into crowds of spectators or innocent by-standards in the area if the display planes crash? Statistically yes, vastly so.
Without doing the research, I would be absolutely shocked if more non-spectators deaths have occurred from airshow crashes in all time than GA crashes and runway over-runs/landing short in the last 15 years. One of my best friends was killed just over a year ago doing construction on an emergency lane near a freeway when a woman(for reasons still under investigation) veered from the fast-lane across all 4 lanes of traffic missing all cars, thru the emergency lane, across the grass on the side of the freeway, and thru the construction barrier and hit him and another coworker from behind. Does this mean we should shut down freeways anytime there is work being done anyway near them because of the odd freak accident? No. We mourn the losses as they occur, and realize that sometimes all you can do is take precautions and accept that despite reasonable effort to ensure safety, accidents happen.
Pass legislation that aircraft can only preform over open water or 100% unoccupied land with no roads passing thru? Sure, that's possible. It would mean that the vast majority of airshows across the globe would never happen again. In a world where professional flying is getting more and more automated and less and less lucrative with airtravel now "common place" transport, it could mean thousands of would be aviators never get that spark of inspiration and move on to other fields. It would mean planes will be looked at as nothing more but machines built to get a job done, no beauty, no magic, no fun. And most of us are well aware of this. The only difference is in today's connected world, an event like this is caught from many angles and distributed across the world. Uneducated and opinionated people demand immediate knee-jerk reform to make them think they're safe, and the media crams it down peoples throats ignoring the war, famine, genocide, and everything else going on in the world to garner ratings by playing up the tragedy for as long as people will watch. Then, it's on to the next "first world problem" to be outraged and terrified by. Let's not pretend this isn't the world we live in, and let's try and be logical and reasonable about things.
Most of us have been to airshows. Some of us have witnessed accidents, but the vast majority of us over dozens of shows have seen everything go as planned time and time again. Of the few of us who have witnessed accidents, how many of us have seen spectators killed? What about innocents going about their business crushed by a plane outside of the airport? How many of us know someone or are even loosely acquainted to someone who was killed by a wayward airshow jet? It sucks when people die. This whole thing is terrible and the videos were ghastly and terrifying. But let's not make the fact that the plane slammed into the road rather than a field more than it is; a freak accident.
Will accidents happen at airshows? Yes. Do the precautions taken at airshows do a pretty good job of making sure the inertia of aircraft during the routines don't hurdle them into crowds of spectators or innocent by-standards in the area if the display planes crash? Statistically yes, vastly so.
Without doing the research, I would be absolutely shocked if more non-spectators deaths have occurred from airshow crashes in all time than GA crashes and runway over-runs/landing short in the last 15 years. One of my best friends was killed just over a year ago doing construction on an emergency lane near a freeway when a woman(for reasons still under investigation) veered from the fast-lane across all 4 lanes of traffic missing all cars, thru the emergency lane, across the grass on the side of the freeway, and thru the construction barrier and hit him and another coworker from behind. Does this mean we should shut down freeways anytime there is work being done anyway near them because of the odd freak accident? No. We mourn the losses as they occur, and realize that sometimes all you can do is take precautions and accept that despite reasonable effort to ensure safety, accidents happen.
Pass legislation that aircraft can only preform over open water or 100% unoccupied land with no roads passing thru? Sure, that's possible. It would mean that the vast majority of airshows across the globe would never happen again. In a world where professional flying is getting more and more automated and less and less lucrative with airtravel now "common place" transport, it could mean thousands of would be aviators never get that spark of inspiration and move on to other fields. It would mean planes will be looked at as nothing more but machines built to get a job done, no beauty, no magic, no fun. And most of us are well aware of this. The only difference is in today's connected world, an event like this is caught from many angles and distributed across the world. Uneducated and opinionated people demand immediate knee-jerk reform to make them think they're safe, and the media crams it down peoples throats ignoring the war, famine, genocide, and everything else going on in the world to garner ratings by playing up the tragedy for as long as people will watch. Then, it's on to the next "first world problem" to be outraged and terrified by. Let's not pretend this isn't the world we live in, and let's try and be logical and reasonable about things.
Most of us have been to airshows. Some of us have witnessed accidents, but the vast majority of us over dozens of shows have seen everything go as planned time and time again. Of the few of us who have witnessed accidents, how many of us have seen spectators killed? What about innocents going about their business crushed by a plane outside of the airport? How many of us know someone or are even loosely acquainted to someone who was killed by a wayward airshow jet? It sucks when people die. This whole thing is terrible and the videos were ghastly and terrifying. But let's not make the fact that the plane slammed into the road rather than a field more than it is; a freak accident.
PositionAndHold
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As far as I can find the last spectator deaths involving an American air show was in Germany in 1988, 27 years ago. And it wasn't even on US soil. Though it did bring about rule changes involving energy directed away from spectators. On PPW some one claims it's been since 1954 since there has been a spectator death at a US air show. I can't find data to verify that however. I can however confirm more people were killed by a single 121 accident in Buffalo than evey performer fatality and the spectators in Reno since 2008 (roughly 2,100 individual air shows). So when we talk about airplanes falling out of the sky into cars and houses, it's only fair we include accidents such as Buffalo.