Airshows shouldn't exist

Seggy said:
When was the last time someone was killed going to a football game? Basketball game? There have been deaths and injuries to hockey and basketball games but if you had a 2% of getting hurt going to a football game, I would argue it would hurt the sport.
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http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=6747510

http://www.nbcdfw.com/blogs/red-fever/21-Fans-Have-Died-in-Falls-at-Baseball-Stadiums-125247969.html

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-37853/43-dead-soccer-stadium-stampede.html (final death toll was 96)
 
Seggy said:
When was the last time someone was killed going to a football game? Basketball game? There have been deaths and injuries to hockey and basketball games but if you had a 2% of getting hurt going to a football game, I would argue it would hurt the sport.
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Literally or figuratively?
 
Cessnaflyer said:
Where did the brains go tonight?
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Dyson Vacuums sucked them into his 8 point vortex spiral bin.

Let me explain:
  1. Dirty brain cells are drawn in by a fan.
  2. The brain particles goes into the top corner of a drum or vacuum bin, and the angle it enters the bin causes it tospiral around creating centrifugal force. This force causes the larger brain particles to spin out of the air stream and fall to the bottom of the bin.
  3. The air then flows through a filter, which catches more brain particles.
  4. The air continues through a conical cylinder, housed in the bin, and the angle the air enters from and the sloping walls of the cylinder combine to cause the air, containing the smallest brain particles, to spin down to the bottom of the cone at an increasing speed.
  5. Centrifugal force acting on the air stream increases, forcing the brain particles against the sides of the cone and through the hole in the bottom of the cone, while the air escapes up the centre
Yeah, I had to google it.

While we're banning things, I wanna ban dictatorship thoughts and ideas and to allow people the freedom to live theirs lives how they see fit.

Everyone sing along:

"Let's all go to the air show, let's all go to the air show, let's all go to the air shoooooowwwwwww.....and see if we make out alive!!! Yay!!!!!"
 
drunkenbeagle said:
What condition? And what does that have to do with aircraft that don't require medical certificates?
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I went over this before. Folks are diagnosed ALL THE TIME with conditions they didn't know they had when they go see their AME.

Between the FAA, my employer, and my own doctor - I end up having 4 physical exams a year. For a 35 year old with zero health problems, you don't think that might be a bit excessive?
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You are in the minority with this. Most males don't bother going to the doctor, even when they need to.
 
Seggy said:
When was the last time someone was killed going to a football game? Basketball game? There have been deaths and injuries to hockey and basketball games but if you had a 2% of getting hurt going to a football game, I would argue it would hurt the sport.
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I don't have stats but a lot of bystanders die at motorsports events every year. Especially rallies in developing nations.
Stand on the outside of ALL the turns!
 
z987k said:
I don't have stats but a lot of bystanders die at motorsports events every year. Especially rallies in developing nations. Stand on the outside of ALL the turns!
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How many people driving by a mile away who didn't attend the race get killed?

Thought so. :rolleyes:
 
ATN_Pilot said:
I can't believe people are actually defending allowing an air show to take place over a highway. Unbelievable.
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That wasn't what I quoted. He was talking about people attending the events and the impact on the sport of those people dieing.

There's near 100% chance that a spectator will die every year at the Dakar rally and the Baja 1000.
 
Seggy said:
I would say it is still riskier to go to an airshow than a baseball game.
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Given the fact that a line drive foul ball will be hit into the densely packed stands on virtually every game (which can and has killed people before) while a crash of any kind at an airshow is an unusual event, I would challenge that assumption.

"...many American baseball and hockey fans have been injured or killed by balls and pucks. As of 2007, 61 baseball spectators had died after being hit by balls or bats (though most of these deaths occurred at amateur games), and 15 had died from falling from the stands. Only one spectator has been killed by a puck at an NHL game; in 2002, a 13-year-old girl died after being struck in the temple at a Columbus Blue Jackets game in Ohio. Following that incident, the NHL implemented netting over the end of each rink to prevent stray pucks from hitting spectators."

http://www.slate.com/articles/sport...acing_the_most_dangerous_spectator_sport.html




Nobody denies the fact that low level aerobatics is seriously risky, but to imply that there isn't a large team of professionals keeping an eye out for everyone's safety is idiotic.
 
Seggy said:
No.

The standard should and is graduated depending on the type of flying one wants to do. With that said having NO medical check and flying in a powered airplane is lunacy.
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Alright, less than 6,000lbs and not for hire, self-certify, more than 6k and not for hire, 3rd class medical, for hire using commercial privileges, 2nd class, for hire using ATP privileges, 1st class. There we go. Graduated.
 
ATN_Pilot said:
I can't believe people are actually defending allowing an air show to take place over a highway. Unbelievable.
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Unless air shows are going to be held 100 miles out in the Gulf of Mexico, air show performers are gonna have to fly over a road, highway or interstate, somewhere.
Hell, aerobatic teams fly over entire cities to mark land points, boundaries, markers etc (and practice), before weekend shows. What's really the difference? An accident is an accident is an accident.
 
ATN_Pilot said:
I can't believe people are actually defending allowing an air show to take place over a highway. Unbelievable.
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Leading causes of death:
  • Heart disease: 611,105
  • Cancer: 584,881
  • Chronic lower respiratory diseases: 149,205
  • Accidents (unintentional injuries): 130,557
  • Stroke (cerebrovascular diseases): 128,978
  • Alzheimer's disease: 84,767
  • Diabetes: 75,578
  • Influenza and Pneumonia: 56,979
  • Nephritis, nephrotic syndrome, and nephrosis: 47,112
  • Intentional self-harm (suicide): 41,149
Airshows would fit under accidents - they seem to be nowhere near the leading cause though. Bathtubs, swimming pools and stairs are likely the main culprits. But if we care about preventable deaths, maybe increasing influenza vaccination rates and getting people to walk more would save more lives.

Actually, the walking people do around airshows probably saves as many lives as are lost from accidents.
 
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