Airports consider congressman's call to ditch TSA
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MFT1Air
Mfalme Soleimani
Let's see here. . .in another kneejerk reaction to government bureaucracy, you're going can a low paid "government" employee and replace them with a federally funded "private" entity. Kewl. . .wonder how many pedophiles and sexual predators are going to be selling scanner photos on eBay or "feeling up" passengers going through the screening process.
Too many self-serving/hidden agenda people in this debate. Too bad those with solid suggestions to effectively improve the system aren't speaking out as loudly as the whiners are.
Here we have a politician advocating moving this to the private sector. Makes me wonder what "silent partner" security business he is aligned?
Me thinks I need to do more research on the congressman. Maybe he's the one either directly or indirectly responsible for this security debacle to begin with?
:wtf?: :tmyk:
Too many self-serving/hidden agenda people in this debate. Too bad those with solid suggestions to effectively improve the system aren't speaking out as loudly as the whiners are.
Here we have a politician advocating moving this to the private sector. Makes me wonder what "silent partner" security business he is aligned?
Me thinks I need to do more research on the congressman. Maybe he's the one either directly or indirectly responsible for this security debacle to begin with?
:wtf?: :tmyk:
Bigey
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Agreed. The private security at SFO use the body scanners. I remember when I opted out of the machine. I made the guy's life living hell as much as he made mine. I made sure to follow every word to the T...and since his instructions werent great, it made a commotion. So I requested a supervisor and a sworn LEO to be present for the rest of the search.
NO, i dont want you to see me naked. NO, i would rather not have you touch my genitals. What's going on where I have to submit to either one of these things to get on an aircraft?
Even Tehran Intl doesn't go this far....
Stone Cold
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You just have to do what everybody calls "playing the piano". Well, at least we do...finger printing. And the ink they use usually lasts the 3 days our visa lasts. Amazing how that works. Other than finger printing and taking 2 + hours to get through as American crews on a Ukrainian registered airplane, there is an x-ray of the bags in and out, and fairly painless. Well, painless until you try to get a GPU or fuel.
Bigey
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Seriously! I went through fairly painless...
One thing I did notice was that the screeners actually looked at the x-ray machine closely! Novel idea! A little bit slower, yes....but at least they're examining what's coming through.
You just have to do what everybody calls "playing the piano". Well, at least we do...finger printing. And the ink they use usually lasts the 3 days our visa lasts. Amazing how that works. Other than finger printing and taking 2 + hours to get through as American crews on a Ukrainian registered airplane, there is an x-ray of the bags in and out, and fairly painless. Well, painless until you try to get a GPU or fuel.
You fly into Tehran?
Stone Cold
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More than I'd like to admit!! I have been there at least 10-15 times in the last year and a half. It is my home away from home...away from home....away from home. Kiev, is my first home away and Athens is the second most frequent, then THR.
This type of screening does too much and too little at the same time. We're only one small step away from stripping down completely, which makes it too much, but it does nothing to check the background of the traveler, which makes it too little. Translation: It's simply the wrong solution. The right solution: Offer background checks on all passengers. Establish criteria that result in a passenger grading system with ID card issuance, and biometrics (retinal or fingerprint) that link card to passenger. A's walk through the magentometer & bags are X-rayed. B's get a little more scrutiny. Down to Fs which simply don't fly. If you don't have a card, you're subjected to the "D" screening, which is an electronic strip search and/or the dreaded "pat down." Everyone has the option - but not the obligation - to undergo background screening. If you think this leads to a national ID card and/or "big brother" watching you, fine: Opt out, get to the back of that long line, and wait for the TSA goon to run his blue-gloved hands all over (and under) you.
z987k
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You just have to do what everybody calls "playing the piano". Well, at least we do...finger printing. And the ink they use usually lasts the 3 days our visa lasts. Amazing how that works. Other than finger printing and taking 2 + hours to get through as American crews on a Ukrainian registered airplane, there is an x-ray of the bags in and out, and fairly painless. Well, painless until you try to get a GPU or fuel.
How hard is it to get that visa?
Stone Cold
Well-Known Member
For me and the people I fly with, not hard. For the average American, I honestly do not know. The principles I fly have some VERY good contacts, and operate an airline out of several airports in the area. Let's just say, I have been to 2 joint civ/military airports in Iran, with an all-American crew.
Pilotwannabe1123
New Member
TSA "Security Theater"
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FlySooner9
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TSA strikes again?
No clue to the truth of this story but here ya go.
http://www.redstate.com/erick/2010/11/18/another-tsa-outrage/
No clue to the truth of this story but here ya go.
http://www.redstate.com/erick/2010/11/18/another-tsa-outrage/
It's a good idea except for the card IMO. Make airlines do the background check or they aren't allowed to issue the ticket. Give them instant access to a system that classifies a person so the process doesn't take a few days, instead just mere seconds. And the information is contained on your ticket that the TSA screener sees before he waves you into a line for screening. It also wouldn't be a bad idea to put the info in a bar code format to help with preventing fraud.
Okie_Pilot
Pitts Builder
As long as they leave the "opt out", I'd be okay with that.
Fly_Unity
Well-Known Member
One of the airports I fly to in MT has switched to a private security firm that has replaced the TSA a few years back and things have got so bad the the airport manager and several locals are trying to get the TSA back. They do the most thorough pat down I have ever seen. And to EVERY passenger. I seen them myself. Its not random, its everybody. And this town is so small that everyone knows everybody in the town. I have never seen anything like this until the last few weeks.