Airport Identifiers
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Mr_Creepy
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DEN was Stapleton's identifier. People call the new Denver airport DIA, which kind of irks me. It's the same as Tucson Intl Airport. It's TUS, but many people refer to it as TIA, which is entirely incorrect. Then I see guys trying to pull down NOTAMS and WX for TIA, and getting nothing resembling Tucson back.
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Same thing here in Orlando - People keep referring to MCO as OIA.
Annoying.
DEN was Stapleton's identifier. People call the new Denver airport DIA, which kind of irks me. It's the same as Tucson Intl Airport. It's TUS, but many people refer to it as TIA, which is entirely incorrect. Then I see guys trying to pull down NOTAMS and WX for TIA, and getting nothing resembling Tucson back.
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Same thing here in Orlando - People keep referring to MCO as OIA.
Annoying.
Maximilian_Jenius
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i.e. Purdue is LAF and the vortac also used to be LAF. Changed the vortac to BVT. Presto, just used up three different letters!
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TUS the airport and the VORTAC are both ID as TUS.
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Again, Pop! there goes another rubber tree plant!
(from an old, very old song!)
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I love that song...
-Matthew
i.e. Purdue is LAF and the vortac also used to be LAF. Changed the vortac to BVT. Presto, just used up three different letters!
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TUS the airport and the VORTAC are both ID as TUS.
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Again, Pop! there goes another rubber tree plant!
(from an old, very old song!)
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I love that song...
-Matthew
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When you throw in the navaid identifiers that had to be changed because they didn't reside on the airport, hence couldn't have the same name, I'd bet that jacked up, or down, the available three letter stuff.
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What is the criteria for when an identifier change is needed, I wonder? GRR is almost 6 miles away from KGRR, and GRB is just over 5 miles away from KGRB, as just two examples of VORs not directly on the field....
When you throw in the navaid identifiers that had to be changed because they didn't reside on the airport, hence couldn't have the same name, I'd bet that jacked up, or down, the available three letter stuff.
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What is the criteria for when an identifier change is needed, I wonder? GRR is almost 6 miles away from KGRR, and GRB is just over 5 miles away from KGRB, as just two examples of VORs not directly on the field....
ROFCIBC
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What is the criteria for when an identifier change is needed, I wonder? GRR is almost 6 miles away from KGRR, and GRB is just over 5 miles away from KGRB, as just two examples of VORs not directly on the field....
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I'd bet there is some TERPS criteria on possibly physical distance or the use for departures, arrivals and approaches at the airport. But I honestly don't know.
Plus there’s the process of just WHAT is used. "Boiler" (BVT) and "Brickyard" (VHP near Indianapolis) make sense. But some don't. Nor does the actual selection of the three letters! VHP is located out near Claremont, IN...so where's "VHP" come from? And "Hoosier" OOM is down in the land of perverts, music majors and lawyers (triple redundancy)...i.e. Indiana University! Maybe "Oh, Oh My!" (us Boilermakers have to get a dig in at the "other" school)
Speaking of the "other school", South Bend became "Gipper"...after that guy from the Northern Indiana Boys Vocational & Technical School for Wayward Priests!
In the trivia department, why is Mobile (SJI) called "Semmes"?
HINT: Has to do with the civil war and the battle of Mobile Bay.
What is the criteria for when an identifier change is needed, I wonder? GRR is almost 6 miles away from KGRR, and GRB is just over 5 miles away from KGRB, as just two examples of VORs not directly on the field....
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I'd bet there is some TERPS criteria on possibly physical distance or the use for departures, arrivals and approaches at the airport. But I honestly don't know.
Plus there’s the process of just WHAT is used. "Boiler" (BVT) and "Brickyard" (VHP near Indianapolis) make sense. But some don't. Nor does the actual selection of the three letters! VHP is located out near Claremont, IN...so where's "VHP" come from? And "Hoosier" OOM is down in the land of perverts, music majors and lawyers (triple redundancy)...i.e. Indiana University! Maybe "Oh, Oh My!" (us Boilermakers have to get a dig in at the "other" school)
Speaking of the "other school", South Bend became "Gipper"...after that guy from the Northern Indiana Boys Vocational & Technical School for Wayward Priests!
In the trivia department, why is Mobile (SJI) called "Semmes"?
HINT: Has to do with the civil war and the battle of Mobile Bay.
ROFCIBC
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Canada is a little more confusing and the airport codes don't always give away which city they are, like how do you get YYZ out of Toronto?
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Probably similar to Castle AFB (KMER) in Merced, while the Merced Municipal Airport was KMCE. Multiple airports in close proximity.
Here's a good one...EDAF Frankfurt, EDAR Ramstein AB. The "F" and "R" make sense. But what of "EDA"?
Or in the UK..."EGUN" Mildenhall.
I once heard the "E" was for Europe, the "D" for Deutschland, and "A" for Air Force. Don’t know if that was right or not but it made sense so I bought it....hey! I'm easy!
Canada is a little more confusing and the airport codes don't always give away which city they are, like how do you get YYZ out of Toronto?
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Probably similar to Castle AFB (KMER) in Merced, while the Merced Municipal Airport was KMCE. Multiple airports in close proximity.
Here's a good one...EDAF Frankfurt, EDAR Ramstein AB. The "F" and "R" make sense. But what of "EDA"?
Or in the UK..."EGUN" Mildenhall.
I once heard the "E" was for Europe, the "D" for Deutschland, and "A" for Air Force. Don’t know if that was right or not but it made sense so I bought it....hey! I'm easy!
secretapproach
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Canada is a little more confusing and the airport codes don't always give away which city they are, like how do you get YYZ out of Toronto?
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Probably similar to Castle AFB (KMER) in Merced, while the Merced Municipal Airport was KMCE. Multiple airports in close proximity.
Here's a good one...EDAF Frankfurt, EDAR Ramstein AB. The "F" and "R" make sense. But what of "EDA"?
Or in the UK..."EGUN" Mildenhall.
I once heard the "E" was for Europe, the "D" for Deutschland, and "A" for Air Force. Don’t know if that was right or not but it made sense so I bought it....hey! I'm easy!
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E is Northern Europe, D is Deutschland. I can't find an EDAF - where is that? Frankfurt/Main is EDDF, do you mean that? And on a side note, because a lot of people think Main means the "main" airport, it actually refers to the Main River and is pronounced "M-EYE-N" (as in your eyes you see with). Most of Southern Europe is L and most identifiers make sense to some degree. Even LPPT (Lisbon) makes sense if you dig deeper: it's Portela airport. Everything in France starts with LF (I guess the French wanted to be considered Southern Europe). I think there is a map of the regions worldwide in the Bottlang manuals.
The one that's always bugged me, though, is EGGW. It's a London airport but it's not Gatwick, but rather Luton. Gatwick is EGKK. Can anyone explain that one? I can't figure it out.
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Canada is a little more confusing and the airport codes don't always give away which city they are, like how do you get YYZ out of Toronto?
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Probably similar to Castle AFB (KMER) in Merced, while the Merced Municipal Airport was KMCE. Multiple airports in close proximity.
Here's a good one...EDAF Frankfurt, EDAR Ramstein AB. The "F" and "R" make sense. But what of "EDA"?
Or in the UK..."EGUN" Mildenhall.
I once heard the "E" was for Europe, the "D" for Deutschland, and "A" for Air Force. Don’t know if that was right or not but it made sense so I bought it....hey! I'm easy!
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E is Northern Europe, D is Deutschland. I can't find an EDAF - where is that? Frankfurt/Main is EDDF, do you mean that? And on a side note, because a lot of people think Main means the "main" airport, it actually refers to the Main River and is pronounced "M-EYE-N" (as in your eyes you see with). Most of Southern Europe is L and most identifiers make sense to some degree. Even LPPT (Lisbon) makes sense if you dig deeper: it's Portela airport. Everything in France starts with LF (I guess the French wanted to be considered Southern Europe). I think there is a map of the regions worldwide in the Bottlang manuals.
The one that's always bugged me, though, is EGGW. It's a London airport but it's not Gatwick, but rather Luton. Gatwick is EGKK. Can anyone explain that one? I can't figure it out.
C650CPT
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In the trivia department, why is Mobile (SJI) called "Semmes"?
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Raphael Semmes, a resident of Mobile, held the ranks of Admiral and General in the confederacy.
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OK, where did MCO come from?
The old McCoy Air Force Base was shut down in 1975, that and some other land was given to the city of Orlando and in 1976 it was renamed Orlando Intl Airport, yet the first Intl. flight didn't take off untill 1984.
Ok so I have a little extra free time on my hands today and googled for the answers ... the only prize I want is to come home ... please!
Jim
In the trivia department, why is Mobile (SJI) called "Semmes"?
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Raphael Semmes, a resident of Mobile, held the ranks of Admiral and General in the confederacy.
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OK, where did MCO come from?
The old McCoy Air Force Base was shut down in 1975, that and some other land was given to the city of Orlando and in 1976 it was renamed Orlando Intl Airport, yet the first Intl. flight didn't take off untill 1984.
Ok so I have a little extra free time on my hands today and googled for the answers ... the only prize I want is to come home ... please!
Jim
ROFCIBC
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E is Northern Europe, D is Deutschland. I can't find an EDAF - where is that? Frankfurt/Main is EDDF, do you mean that?
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EDDF is the civilian side. EDAF is the military side. Hence the "A", or at least that's what the guy at base ops told me. I really don't know why they have two different identifiers for a dual use airport.
ABQ and CHS are both dual use airports yet have a single identifier.
More of the mysteries of life not explained by Monty Python!
E is Northern Europe, D is Deutschland. I can't find an EDAF - where is that? Frankfurt/Main is EDDF, do you mean that?
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EDDF is the civilian side. EDAF is the military side. Hence the "A", or at least that's what the guy at base ops told me. I really don't know why they have two different identifiers for a dual use airport.
ABQ and CHS are both dual use airports yet have a single identifier.
More of the mysteries of life not explained by Monty Python!
