AIrplane ownership cost

200-300hours/year is probably more realistic.

There are a lot of fixed costs that add up. I spend a lot of time in the hanger these days, trust me.

Most of the calculations I've seen put it at about 100hrs/year to break even. I suppose it depends on the type of plane. Anyone who is using numbers to justify the purchase of an airplane won't be able to, unless its to be used as a business tool.

Personally, my ideal plane right now would cost somewhere in the range of $45/hr to fly. Granted, you aren't going anywhere quick, but for just messing around, nothing better.

CIWAE-challenger582.jpg
 
Most of the calculations I've seen put it at about 100hrs/year to break even. I suppose it depends on the type of plane. Anyone who is using numbers to justify the purchase of an airplane won't be able to, unless its to be used as a business tool.

Personally, my ideal plane right now would cost somewhere in the range of $45/hr to fly. Granted, you aren't going anywhere quick, but for just messing around, nothing better.

CIWAE-challenger582.jpg
a guy at the glider club had a trike and he loves it. He flies almost everyday after work for a hour or so. At 3 gallons of auto fuel a hour that's cheap fun
 
a guy at the glider club had a trike and he loves it. He flies almost everyday after work for a hour or so. At 3 gallons of auto fuel a hour that's cheap fun

Yup. You can pick up a used Challenger II for between 10-15K, depending on how fancy you want them to be, and what kind of avionics are on board. I'd love to buy one and then a few years down the road slap the amphib floats on it.
 
Yup. You can pick up a used Challenger II for between 10-15K, depending on how fancy you want them to be, and what kind of avionics are on board. I'd love to buy one and then a few years down the road slap the amphib floats on it.
his isn't a challenger. It's some two seat version with the handle bar to steer. He has it all jacked up with lights and a strobe and everything. He has a power parachute as well.
 
his isn't a challenger. It's some two seat version with the handle bar to steer. He has it all jacked up with lights and a strobe and everything. He has a power parachute as well.

Ah, different game then. I want something that is still airplane like, which is the case with the Challenger. Can't be a bad airplane if they've sold more than 5,000 kits (might be 6,000 by now).
 
Ah, different game then. I want something that is still airplane like, which is the case with the Challenger. Can't be a bad airplane if they've sold more than 5,000 kits (might be 6,000 by now).
Sold is not the keyword. Registered and Flying is what you always want to watch out for.
 
I was looking into exactly what you are now a couple of months ago. I was dead set on buying a used airplane to get me from PPL to Com. After talking with a lot of airplane owners, I realized that there was no real way to know if I would break even. An annual could easily run $1k a year, or it could easily be $3k to $5k when you least expect it. I also figure that I will need to spend some time renting a multi engine and doing some hours in a complex aircraft. In the end, it just didn't look as simple as I had hoped it to be. Someone also brought up the fact that I would be doing all my hours in the same airplane and part of the fun in flying is getting to experience different airplanes. One thing I was told was that if I decided to do it, I should buy something common like a 152 or 172 because finding parts and the cost of labor would probably be a bit cheaper.
 
I was looking into exactly what you are now a couple of months ago. I was dead set on buying a used airplane to get me from PPL to Com. After talking with a lot of airplane owners, I realized that there was no real way to know if I would break even. An annual could easily run $1k a year, or it could easily be $3k to $5k when you least expect it. I also figure that I will need to spend some time renting a multi engine and doing some hours in a complex aircraft. In the end, it just didn't look as simple as I had hoped it to be. Someone also brought up the fact that I would be doing all my hours in the same airplane and part of the fun in flying is getting to experience different airplanes. One thing I was told was that if I decided to do it, I should buy something common like a 152 or 172 because finding parts and the cost of labor would probably be a bit cheaper.

It all depends on what you want to get out of it.

If you want cheap single to bang out some time in, then turn around and sell it, you probably CAN do better than renting, but you have to keep it VERY simple.

A 172 with steam gauges would be it. No glass, nothing complex, nothing fancy.

Buy it and rack the time up before the fixed costs have a time to pile up, and then sell it.

Back in the day (late 80's). I had the opportunty to buy a Seminole from a local guy. The guy had been leasing the airplane back to the local FBO/School, and they had geared it up...twice (the second right after the first...d'oh!). Anyway, the second time, the FBO's insurance paid to have two new engines, two new props, full paint and the guy threw in a new interior to boot. The airplane had come from the factory with a pretty decent setup (HSI, AP with alt hold, etc...comparatively nice for the time), so this was a pretty bangin' ride, if you discount the gear ups (which really have no effect long term, if repaired correctly). They were selling it for $40k, which was at a fairly steep discout at the time (similar planes would probably fetch $65-70k) The uptick in training for the 90's had JUST started, which would drive prices on 'noles into orbit (eventually the same airplane would fetch $100k+ on the market 4-5 years later), but owner wasn't aware of this.

Gas was cheap ($1.50/gallon), I needed the time, and so I tried to move Heaven and Earth to make that deal happen, and just couldn't pull it off.

My point is keep your ear to the ground...sometimes good deals fall in your lap.

Richman
 
This is something I am in the middle of considering as a career changer to build hours in. I need to go from essentially nothing (I need to restart my PPL, I stopped short of a checkride 10 years ago with 50 hours... recently went up for two hours with a CFI, and he estimated 15 or so hours to be ready again) through IFR, CFI, CFII, and commercial. That's an awful lot of time in a rental. Trying to do the cost analysis on this one, whether it would be cheaper in the end to buy a basic IFR 152/172 rig (with a 177 as a potential splurge), tie it down outside, and keep it until I get up to the point I need to start working on ME stuff, then sell it. Might even get lucky and have the economy in better shape by then and make enough to cover some of the maintenance costs on it. /shrug
 
I've owned a Mooney M20E going on 5 yrs now..

tie down: $600/yr (been waiting for a hangar for 5 yrs, no end in sight)
property tax: $400/yr
Insurance: a bit under $1000/yr
annual inspection (owner assist, with a couple of small squawks, and consumables): $900/yr

occasionally other things come up.. pitot static. I change the oil 3x a year whether it needs it or not, etc.

All in all its about 3500/yr in fixed costs

A good rule of thumb is to take the fuel cost ($/hr) and multiply by 2-3 to get your total ownership cost.

I fly the airplane 100 hrs a year or better. I did the math on my TOTAL costs last year, and it came out to $105/hr. Just barely more than renting a 152... and I'm flying a Mooney! That doesnt include money in the bank for new paint, engine O/H, or capital, though.

It was a dream come true to be able to have my own airplane, even if that is just something I can do for a few years. If you can afford it, do it. There isn't anything like being able to go where you want, when you want, to the airports you want, or just to go for a scenic hop at low power (low fuel flow) for $20-30 of avgas.
 
Most of the calculations I've seen put it at about 100hrs/year to break even. I suppose it depends on the type of plane. Anyone who is using numbers to justify the purchase of an airplane won't be able to, unless its to be used as a business tool.

Personally, my ideal plane right now would cost somewhere in the range of $45/hr to fly. Granted, you aren't going anywhere quick, but for just messing around, nothing better.

CIWAE-challenger582.jpg

What about an Ercoupe?
 
I flew my Cherokee to Anderson Indiana yesterday and between takeoff and landing my battery crapped out. Cost me 235 for new battery so I could make it home. Sometimes owning a plane sucks. Also needs a new vacuum pump soon so that will be fun. But overall I still recommend it to people who really want to own one.
 
I flew my Cherokee to Anderson Indiana yesterday and between takeoff and landing my battery crapped out. Cost me 235 for new battery so I could make it home. Sometimes owning a plane sucks. Also needs a new vacuum pump soon so that will be fun. But overall I still recommend it to people who really want to own one.

I was flying my plane through central California and the battery lost it's spirit. This rad mechanic at KTCY gave me one that had just been swapped out for a new one but was still good. He also did some other troubleshooting for me on the spot and charged me almost nothing even though I knew I was interrupting his schedule. I dont remember dude's name now but he crews for some Reno race planes. A real asset to GA. One of the best part of GA flying is the cool people you get to meet when out bumming around.
 
What about an Ercoupe?

Not a bad option. Going to run more than what a Challenger II runs. Additionally, the LSA models (C and older) are even more expensive, due to their ability to be flown sans medical. Not to mention I don't think I'll fit in a Ercoupe for very long.
 
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