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I read that 1 out of 6 airmail pilots died during the routes and engine problems were routine. I also read that the pilots were getting killed as fast as they were being hired. Im really enjoying this manual.
flyover
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I read that 1 out of 6 airmail pilots died during the routes and engine problems were routine. I also read that the pilots were getting killed as fast as they were being hired. Im really enjoying this manual.
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You would definitely have mixed feelings as your seniority number got smaller.
Dave
I read that 1 out of 6 airmail pilots died during the routes and engine problems were routine. I also read that the pilots were getting killed as fast as they were being hired. Im really enjoying this manual.
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You would definitely have mixed feelings as your seniority number got smaller.
Dave
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We could write a Masters thesis or a doctoral in this topic.
Yes, they can get ugly with mergers. The AA/TWA one was very very ugly and still is. It has created so much riff between pilots, it's sad.
Management did a very bad thing by 1)merging/taking TWA and 2) by s**ting on the TWA folks. All I wanted to do growing up was fly for American, my mom's a FA for AA, and I had an internship with them. Needless to say, that was where my life was taking me, but since then and with 9/11, etc. corporate is where I think I'm better suited. It's not for everybody, I realize, but neither is airline life.
The business can get very ugly. Just ask the TWA folks that are out of work just because they merged with another airline, no matter what their seniority.
Just my opinion, but it can get very ugly out there.
Management did a very bad thing by 1)merging/taking TWA and 2) by s**ting on the TWA folks. All I wanted to do growing up was fly for American, my mom's a FA for AA, and I had an internship with them. Needless to say, that was where my life was taking me, but since then and with 9/11, etc. corporate is where I think I'm better suited. It's not for everybody, I realize, but neither is airline life.
The business can get very ugly. Just ask the TWA folks that are out of work just because they merged with another airline, no matter what their seniority.
Just my opinion, but it can get very ugly out there.
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If something happened and United, American, Delta, UsAir, and Continental had to close what would happen to the airline industry.
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Life would go on.
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I just suppose the other carriers would take over their routes and little competition would be present.
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For some reason I always hear "things" about marines from other servicemen. Like when the navy or army goes over to our school to try to recruit people they tell us that we shouldn't join the marines.
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kellwolf
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I read that 1 out of 6 airmail pilots died during the routes and engine problems were routine. I also read that the pilots were getting killed as fast as they were being hired.
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Yep. It was considered one of the most dangerous professions in history. I think Lindbergh had the record for the number of bail-outs since he lived through them. There are a LOT of great history books out there on the early development of aviation. If you're bored one day, head down to the library and load up. Lindbergh's bio is a good one, and so is Howard Hughes' bio. There are also a lot of books that focus on particular airlines (one on Continental, the rise and fall of Pan Am, one on Delta, and one on SWA called Nuts!).
I read that 1 out of 6 airmail pilots died during the routes and engine problems were routine. I also read that the pilots were getting killed as fast as they were being hired.
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Yep. It was considered one of the most dangerous professions in history. I think Lindbergh had the record for the number of bail-outs since he lived through them. There are a LOT of great history books out there on the early development of aviation. If you're bored one day, head down to the library and load up. Lindbergh's bio is a good one, and so is Howard Hughes' bio. There are also a lot of books that focus on particular airlines (one on Continental, the rise and fall of Pan Am, one on Delta, and one on SWA called Nuts!).
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I read that 1 out of 6 airmail pilots died during the routes and engine problems were routine. I also read that the pilots were getting killed as fast as they were being hired.
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Yep. It was considered one of the most dangerous professions in history. I think Lindbergh had the record for the number of bail-outs since he lived through them. There are a LOT of great history books out there on the early development of aviation. If you're bored one day, head down to the library and load up. Lindbergh's bio is a good one, and so is Howard Hughes' bio. There are also a lot of books that focus on particular airlines (one on Continental, the rise and fall of Pan Am, one on Delta, and one on SWA called Nuts!).
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I will definately have to check those out. It makes it clear how we overlook aviation history so much. Sure we know the dates, the people, and the aircraft. But do we know the story behind it? I wonder what other record is there to break as the pilots back then were always breaking records. Nowadays if you want to break a record you have to be rich in order to afford the aircraft to do it.
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I read that 1 out of 6 airmail pilots died during the routes and engine problems were routine. I also read that the pilots were getting killed as fast as they were being hired.
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Yep. It was considered one of the most dangerous professions in history. I think Lindbergh had the record for the number of bail-outs since he lived through them. There are a LOT of great history books out there on the early development of aviation. If you're bored one day, head down to the library and load up. Lindbergh's bio is a good one, and so is Howard Hughes' bio. There are also a lot of books that focus on particular airlines (one on Continental, the rise and fall of Pan Am, one on Delta, and one on SWA called Nuts!).
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I will definately have to check those out. It makes it clear how we overlook aviation history so much. Sure we know the dates, the people, and the aircraft. But do we know the story behind it? I wonder what other record is there to break as the pilots back then were always breaking records. Nowadays if you want to break a record you have to be rich in order to afford the aircraft to do it.
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Psst, Brian, it was a j-o-k-e.
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mtsu_av8er
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For some reason I always hear "things" about marines from other servicemen. Like when the navy or army goes over to our school to try to recruit people they tell us that we shouldn't join the marines.
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Brian, if these are your reasons for choosing or not choosing a branch of the service, you'll hate any of them!!
I can give you 1000 reasons to join or not to join a particular branch!!!
For some reason I always hear "things" about marines from other servicemen. Like when the navy or army goes over to our school to try to recruit people they tell us that we shouldn't join the marines.
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Brian, if these are your reasons for choosing or not choosing a branch of the service, you'll hate any of them!!
I can give you 1000 reasons to join or not to join a particular branch!!!
tonyw
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I can tell you one to join the Air Force. This came from a friend of mine who is currently on active duty, so I figure if he told it to me, I can pass it along.
There's a base in the middle of Iraq. And all four branches of the military are stationed there.
The Marine says, "oh, man. This is great. I've been sleeping in a leaky tent for 30 days. God, it's nice to sleep in a place with a roof over my head."
The Army soldier steps out the shower and says, "God, this is so cool. Hot water. I've been taking cold showers for the past 30 days and does it ever feel good to have warm water."
The sailor sits up in his bunk and says, "Man, it is so nice to have a bunk that I can sit up in without banging my head. And how cool is it to not have to have my head right next to someone's feet!"
The Air Force guy grabs the remote, pushes a few buttons and says, "What the hell? No cable?"
Don't kill me, Mike. It came from another guy wearing railroad tracks.
There's a base in the middle of Iraq. And all four branches of the military are stationed there.
The Marine says, "oh, man. This is great. I've been sleeping in a leaky tent for 30 days. God, it's nice to sleep in a place with a roof over my head."
The Army soldier steps out the shower and says, "God, this is so cool. Hot water. I've been taking cold showers for the past 30 days and does it ever feel good to have warm water."
The sailor sits up in his bunk and says, "Man, it is so nice to have a bunk that I can sit up in without banging my head. And how cool is it to not have to have my head right next to someone's feet!"
The Air Force guy grabs the remote, pushes a few buttons and says, "What the hell? No cable?"
Don't kill me, Mike. It came from another guy wearing railroad tracks.
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Yep. It was considered one of the most dangerous professions in history. I think Lindbergh had the record for the number of bail-outs since he lived through them. There are a LOT of great history books out there on the early development of aviation. If you're bored one day, head down to the library and load up. Lindbergh's bio is a good one, and so is Howard Hughes' bio. There are also a lot of books that focus on particular airlines (one on Continental, the rise and fall of Pan Am, one on Delta, and one on SWA called Nuts!).
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Don't forget "Fate is the Hunter" by Gann. A from the cockpit look at the biz from pre-WWII to psot WWII.
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Yep. It was considered one of the most dangerous professions in history. I think Lindbergh had the record for the number of bail-outs since he lived through them. There are a LOT of great history books out there on the early development of aviation. If you're bored one day, head down to the library and load up. Lindbergh's bio is a good one, and so is Howard Hughes' bio. There are also a lot of books that focus on particular airlines (one on Continental, the rise and fall of Pan Am, one on Delta, and one on SWA called Nuts!).
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Don't forget "Fate is the Hunter" by Gann. A from the cockpit look at the biz from pre-WWII to psot WWII.
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I just suppose the other carriers would take over their routes and little competition would be present.
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Brian, the point that many are missing is that all the legacy carriers already serve virtually all the markets. Expecially east of the Mississippi. So if a Charlotte hub (for example) disappeared it would leave no unserved markets. Those markets are already being served by other airlines.
Now the city of Charlotte would be screaming bloody murder. But there wouldn't be any markets where people couldn't get to the same places they always could.
There's a lot of focus on the LCCs and they are having an impact. But a major reason that yields are down and remain down is that legacy carriers are desperately competing for the passengers in the markets not served by LCCs, which is still most of them.
So even if we got down to 2 or 3 major hub carriers that would be plenty of competition.
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I just suppose the other carriers would take over their routes and little competition would be present.
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Brian, the point that many are missing is that all the legacy carriers already serve virtually all the markets. Expecially east of the Mississippi. So if a Charlotte hub (for example) disappeared it would leave no unserved markets. Those markets are already being served by other airlines.
Now the city of Charlotte would be screaming bloody murder. But there wouldn't be any markets where people couldn't get to the same places they always could.
There's a lot of focus on the LCCs and they are having an impact. But a major reason that yields are down and remain down is that legacy carriers are desperately competing for the passengers in the markets not served by LCCs, which is still most of them.
So even if we got down to 2 or 3 major hub carriers that would be plenty of competition.
Dave