Airlines Brace for Shortage of Pilots

Another thing, when they say how many passengers fly, they DON'T mean unique passengers, just how many tickets are sold, correct? Say if an airport reported 500 passengers in a year, but most of them were round trippers and some were repeat customers, that could mean it was really just say 150 unique passengers, right?
 
scramjet said:
Another thing, when they say how many passengers fly, they DON'T mean unique passengers, just how many tickets are sold, correct? Say if an airport reported 500 passengers in a year, but most of them were round trippers and some were repeat customers, that could mean it was really just say 150 unique passengers, right?
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I think they do have the actual number of enplaned passengers. There are ways to estimate that and adjust for the error that has been made in double counting. They don't just count tickets.
 
I notice he explains pilots being lured abroad by the fact that the salary is tax-free, not the fact that they are paid a decent amount to start with!
 
The average annual salary for a first officer in his fifth year in 2004 was $95,000, but that fell to $87,000 in 2004 and eroded to $83,000 in 2007, according to Aviation Information Resources Inc.
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I'm guessing that is at a Major?
 
PurduePilot said:
Yeah, way to skew the salary. If only I'd making that much, I be happier than a pig in garbage.
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There are alot of jobs that pay that amount and significantly more, not just the majors. Obviously if your flying for a regional, you'll never see that amount unless you make the regional your career - yuck.


Max
 
Is there a place that tells approximately the number of pilots in each category (Majors, FedEx/UPS/DHL, regionals, private charter jets)?

MR.
 
The article says....

What's happening with the American pilots is that the Air Force and Navy and Army pipeline is all but shut down because of the war," Mr. Elwell said.

That is a false statement. We are still cranking out as many C-5 drivers as in the past, and actually in comparison to prior 9/11, we have increased the training numbers.

So I have to wonder what else is crap in the article?
 
GalaxyIFE said:
The article says....

What's happening with the American pilots is that the Air Force and Navy and Army pipeline is all but shut down because of the war," Mr. Elwell said.

That is a false statement. We are still cranking out as many C-5 drivers as in the past, and actually in comparison to prior 9/11, we have increased the training numbers.

So I have to wonder what else is crap in the article?
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By pipeline he is talking about military pilots not retiring for the airlines. But staying in active service due to the war and the higher retention salaries/bonuses!
 
Is there a place that tells approximately the number of pilots in each category (Majors, FedEx/UPS/DHL, regionals, private charter jets)?
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FEDEX

4761 Pilots on the Master Senority List... :tmyk:
 
Shortage huh? But plenty of pilots going to foreign carriers for more $$$ (?). So which is it?

It pretty much proves what many of us have said all along. There is NOT a pilot shortage. There is a shortage of pilots willing to work for food stamps. The article failed to mention the first year regional wages (<20K) and even first year SWA (48K). Funny how that is always left out when the media talks about high pilot salaries.

There will eventually be a pilot shortage because the industry will price out students, and the regionals will continue to pay paltry wages and no-one will be interested in doing it (hopefully).

Consider this. 385 mainline jets have been replaced with over 1000 RJs in the last 6 years. Consider how many of the RJ drivers would now be making a good living at major pay scales if the RJs had been kept at bay.
But hey...they got to fly jets, right? :sarcasm:
 
NJA_Capt said:
Shortage huh? But plenty of pilots going to foreign carriers for more $$$ (?). So which is it?

It pretty much proves what many of us have said all along. There is NOT a pilot shortage. There is a shortage of pilots willing to work for food stamps. The article failed to mention the first year regional wages (<20K) and even first year SWA (48K). Funny how that is always left out when the media talks about high pilot salaries.

There will eventually be a pilot shortage because the industry will price out students, and the regionals will continue to pay paltry wages and no-one will be interested in doing it (hopefully).

Consider this. 385 mainline jets have been replaced with over 1000 RJs in the last 6 years. Consider how many of the RJ drivers would now be making a good living at major pay scales if the RJs had been kept at bay.
But hey...they got to fly jets, right? :sarcasm:
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Those jets SHOULD HAVE stayed at mainline, and to be honest I wish they'd go back, but they're never going to.

Not everybody flying RJ's is geeked out to be flying a jet, and a lot of people are simply looking for a quality of life and pay bump.

Kinda like what you were looking for when you (most likely) went from charter to Net Jets eh?

Now me personally? I can't justify living in an extremely expensive location (Los Angeles), while making $24,000 a year to sit right seat in a Lear or a King Air while having 4 hard days off a month. I tried, and simply couldn't swing it.

So guess where I am now...
 
E6BAV8R said:
I'm guessing that is at a Major?
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Yep. Not many regionals have FIFTH year FOs. There are one or two, but they're the exception, not the rule. fifth year CAs at most regionals don't make as much as the article stated.

I'm with John. I'd be all for RJs going to mainline. Actually, I'd be even MORE for consolidating RJ routes into mainline flights. Might cut down on the amount of time my butt sits on a taxiiway in places like PHL.
 
NJA_Capt said:
Shortage huh? But plenty of pilots going to foreign carriers for more $$$ (?). So which is it?

It pretty much proves what many of us have said all along. There is NOT a pilot shortage.
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That is the whole point. There are not "plenty of pilots" to fill the demand in Asia and the Middle East. That pool has dried up.

If things continue as they are in Asia and other parts of the world there aren't enough pilots to fill those positions.

Consider this. 385 mainline jets have been replaced with over 1000 RJs in the last 6 years. Consider how many of the RJ drivers would now be making a good living at major pay scales if the RJs had been kept at bay.
But hey...they got to fly jets, right?
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You don't understand. This is very fair because people have to "pay their dues" flying passenger jets on a schedule so they can hopefully someday move up to the mainline and........fly passenger jets on a schedule.
 
Looks like one person snuck by apc!
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Happened since the last group of new hires (internals) started.. Must have been someone on disability or long term Mil leave?? Who knows, hopefully he/she is junior to me;)
 
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