Airlineapps and failed checkrides

flymike

flymike

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Here comes yet another Airlineapps question.... I always hear people talking about the "failed checkride question" on there, but have not come across the specific question. Would it be considered a revoked license or administrative action?:dunno:
 
I also want to add that this question is by no means a deal-breaker. Having now been involved in airline hiring, I can assure you that most operations are looking for honesty, what you learned, and that you don't have a pattern. Realizing you're fallible isn't necessarily a bad thing.


J.
 
And don't go from no busts to two the night before your interview either. That shows dishonesty and they will/have sent people home.
 
I wanted to get set up on Airlineapps so that when the time comes I'll be all set to throw out the apps. I only have 1 bust and didn't see any place to put it to be up front about it when I was creating my account/profile, but it all makes sense now.
 
C150J said:
I also want to add that this question is by no means a deal-breaker. Having now been involved in airline hiring, I can assure you that most operations are looking for honesty, what you learned, and that you don't have a pattern. Realizing you're fallible isn't necessarily a bad thing.


J.
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Well i just went to te career expo in Daytona beach and every company that was hiring pilots specifically asked me about how many failed checkrides do I have and they all (Pinnacle, Colgan, Air Wisconsin and American Eagle) stated that the max was 2 failed checkrides. So if your Looking at a regional most of them, due to the Colgan crash, won't accept more than two failed checkrides.
 
Italianaviator said:
Well i just went to te career expo in Daytona beach and every company that was hiring pilots specifically asked me about how many failed checkrides do I have and they all (Pinnacle, Colgan, Air Wisconsin and American Eagle) stated that the max was 2 failed checkrides. So if your Looking at a regional most of them, due to the Colgan crash, won't accept more than two failed checkrides.
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I would consider three failed rides a pattern, but fully admit that the GA examination system is completely flawed. Failures do not correlate to accidents, as proven by an FAA study in response to the NTSBS A005 recommendation. That being said, thanks to the USA TODAY and other poorly-run media outlets, 2+ is a liability in the public's misinformed perception. I know guys that have failed multiple rides that handled emergencies more smoothly than those with "perfect records."
 
Italianaviator said:
Well i just went to te career expo in Daytona beach and every company that was hiring pilots specifically asked me about how many failed checkrides do I have and they all (Pinnacle, Colgan, Air Wisconsin and American Eagle) stated that the max was 2 failed checkrides. So if your Looking at a regional most of them, due to the Colgan crash, won't accept more than two failed checkrides.
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wow that sucks for a lot of people dont they know getting your licenses is a learning process and shouldn't be based totally on that? Didn't the Colgan captain fail most of his checkrides while being employed by Colgan?
 
I agree with the statement above, but the media also mentioned that pilots are flying fatigued, low pay, and an awful QOL. Just today CNN had a story about pilots, and low pay. So my question is why have airlines only focused on check rides and non of the other factors that actually compromise safety?? I have 3 checkride failures and have been told by several regionals that that’s too many. My last one was when I had 300 hours, today I have 3,000. I noticed that you said that your involved in airline hiring, my question to you is what options do I have?
 
HJB said:
I agree with the statement above, but the media also mentioned that pilots are flying fatigued, low pay, and an awful QOL. Just today CNN had a story about pilots, and low pay. So my question is why have airlines only focused on check rides and non of the other factors that actually compromise safety??
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Because they'd actually have to do something about the things you mentioned. Turning away someone with some failed checkrides is a hell of a lot easier than adjusting your scheduling, increasing your salaries, or raising your QOL.

And yes, it sucks.
 
HJB said:
I agree with the statement above, but the media also mentioned that pilots are flying fatigued, low pay, and an awful QOL. Just today CNN had a story about pilots, and low pay. So my question is why have airlines only focused on check rides and non of the other factors that actually compromise safety?? I have 3 checkride failures and have been told by several regionals that that’s too many. My last one was when I had 300 hours, today I have 3,000. I noticed that you said that your involved in airline hiring, my question to you is what options do I have?
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Unfortunately, you make great points. I wish the media and lawyers didn't effect our hiring. That being said, if you network enough and show that you have rehabilitated, there is NO reason that you can't be successful.
 
C150J said:
Unfortunately, you make great points. I wish the media and lawyers didn't effect our hiring. That being said, if you network enough and show that you have rehabilitated, there is NO reason that you can't be successful.
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Does the number of successful checkrides vs the busts account for anything? I know some people who did single & multi PVT, then both COM, as well as all three CFI's, and ATP single and multi. Thats 10 check rides. I would think it doesn't look as bad as someone who has failed 2/4 or 3/5... just wondering if ya'll take this into account?
 
js0305 said:
Does the number of successful checkrides vs the busts account for anything? I know some people who did single & multi PVT, then both COM, as well as all three CFI's, and ATP single and multi. Thats 10 check rides. I would think it doesn't look as bad as someone who has failed 2/4 or 3/5... just wondering if ya'll take this into account?
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In my book, absolutely! Your response to the question means everything, including "I went out and even got a Seaplane rating to further broaden my knowledge base. All you guys will eventually find an outfit that sees beyond the media BS. Failed GA check rides mean nothing in reality, but uninformed risk managers somehow argue otherwise.
 
They want to hire people who haven't failed a checkride because they can be absolutely, 100% sure that those people are 100% focused on airplanes, flying, airplanes, flying, and airplanes. A kid who keeps "Airliners of the World" instead of "Top Heavy" under his bed isn't going to screw up a checklist or buck too hard when he's junior manned for the third time this month. Nevermind that someone of such a disposition is most likely a social retard who couldn't critically-think his (or her) way out of a wet paper sack. "I just wanna fly jets" is really just shorthand for "I have no interior life to speak of and I'll swallow whatever you feed me because I have no self-respect". Run, don't walk.
 
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