Airline Travel: ZED vs. ID90 vs. NonRev

Firebird2XC

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Hey all,

I'm gonna be poppin' around the world a bit come September and am trying to keep the cost of moving around offline of my company.

Thoughts on the best way to get about the Western Pacific Rim, etc?
Ex: To fly to Perth, Australia, to dive the GBR, the round-trip ZED is about $450, give or take. Thoughts on this? Also- when you ZED, ID90, etc.. is charming your way into a class upgrade possible?

Just curious- haven't done much offline or international travel with the airlines.
 
Most of the overseas airlines will not upgrade offline non-revs into business class, particularly the large ones (in fact some do not even let their own employees sit up front such as Emirates).

Qantas is likely to be on your itinerary, and they do not -- but their coach product is obviously way better than any US carrier, so at least you'll have decent food and good entertainment options and more polite, friendly employees from the ticket counter to the moment you get off the airplane.

If your plan is to go to Australia, there are a few options depending on if you are traveling there alone or with someone else. If you want to save some money, you could try to jumpseat there on Delta or United. You'd pay nothing at all for the southbound leg out of LAX or SFO. United is great about upgrading jumpseaters to business class, too -- if there is a seat open. They actually apologized to me once for only having economy plus.

I took Qantas on LAX-SYD after not getting on United and it was $120 at the time so your total round trip estimate sounds just right.

Coming home, once you're back from Perth to eastern Australia, you could try to take a US carrier home too -- this would save you the bulk of what is in the ZED pass and you'd just pay the Australian departure tax at the Delta/United/Hawaiian ticket counter.

If it's still like it was last time I looked, you'd actually be able to try Delta first thing in the morning leaving SYD, and then if you didn't make it, you'd have two attempts on United, one to SFO and one to LAX. When I had come up on the United MEL-SYD segment, they said if I didn't get on LAX they'd still be able to send me over to the SFO gate which is right next door. I ended up getting business class to LAX though so it worked out.

Hawaiian is an option on SYD-HNL as a jumpseater if you could get back to Texas with little hassle from HNL.

Air Canada is also an option with SYD-YVR. I would just not make them at the top of your list because if none of the pilots have the little paper jumpseater booklet thing, then you're not going to be able to go with them.

You mentioned you haven't done a whole lot of international non-revving so I will just say that the domestic traveling abroad such as intra-Australia or within Asia etc. is generally much easier than the insanity you can come across at a hub in the USA on a Sunday afternoon. There aren't hordes of non-revs trying to get home or get to work, or a dozen buddy passes, and so on. From eastern Australia to Perth I wouldn't be surprised if you were the only non-rev in both directions.
 
If you do have to ZED, consider V Australia as well. Their loads are normally a bit lower than Qantas and (for us anyway) the ZED is the same level.
 
Also look at Polar/Atlas coming back. The flight they had me on went from SYD-PVG-ICN-ANC. I didn't end up going that way because I needed a Chinese crew visa and I didn't have time to get one. Polar will also pay your departure taxes, and leaving Australia is not cheap. You should email them and see what their schedule is for coming back to the US. I will always try and jumpseat on them to Asia, unless I see BC is just wide open.

Some airlines you can buy a business class ZED ticket on, but most you can't, including Qantas. SAS comes to mind with ZED in BC. Not sure of others.
 
Hey guys, thanks for all the feedback. I wasn't sure which US carriers flew to SYD. Mom's got access to the Delta passrider system thanks to Dad's NWA pension.. might be worth looking into.

Riding Quantas would be wicked easy, though, as they have a 747 right out of DFW here.

The real question for a Barrier Reef trip would be - am I ready for that level of diving? And can I afford the boat trip fees? I might wind up just hitting the Keys.. but hey, maybe I'll get my picture taken while 'Bruce' gnaws on the cage after all. Thanks guys!
 
Riding Quantas would be wicked easy, though, as they have a 747 right out of DFW here.

It would be convenient but I would be careful with that one as it has apparently been weight restricted a bit -- it is literally at the edge of what the 747-400 can do. In fact there was an article about a diversion-turned-bad on that very segment. If it's that tight on a regular basis, non-revving might be tough. The folks at the ticket counter for international might have some advice relating to that if you had time on your next sit in DFW.

And get it right -- it's Qantas! :)

Queensland And Northern Territory Aerial Services
 
Definitely look at Polar and Atlas. Polar has a new route starting up that goes CVG-HNL-SYD. I think right now it is once or twice a week. The flight number is 243 I believe. I will look it up tomorrow at work.
 
Does Hawaiian fly out of DFW? If not, get yourself over to PHX and use either HA or US to get to the islands, then you can use HA or Qantas to get to Australia.
 
Not sure if this is conveient for u but You can try Hawaiian...JFK-HNL-SYD.
Does Hawaiian fly out of DFW? If not, get yourself over to PHX and use either HA or US to get to the islands, then you can use HA or Qantas to get to Australia.

Hawaiian doesn't fly out of DFW, but they do fly out of LAS. There's a 0200 flight on an A-340 (I think). If I was gonna route through Hawaii, I'd go that route. Funny thing about ZEDs- they cost about the same even if you go out of HNL. It might be the entry/exit taxes. I'ma make some calls and see what I can find out.

Odds are, I'm not ready to dive the big reef just yet. I'm likely gonna wind up in the Keys doing some noob diving before I go anywhere else.
Truthfully, I'd love to ZED out of LAX on Qantas just to ride the A-380, for novelty's sake. Plus I hear Auzzies love Americans. I'd love to pick a few crewmembers' brains on the ride down.
 
Australians do seem to like us, and they are generally a lot of fun to party with. I can see wanting to go to Perth, but isn't Cairns better for the reef? You can get to Cairns on UA too I believe.
 
Cazadores said:
Australians do seem to like us, and they are generally a lot of fun to party with. I can see wanting to go to Perth, but isn't Cairns better for the reef? You can get to Cairns on UA too I believe.

United does have a twice a week flight to Cairns from Guam. So just make sure you check the departure days!
 
Were they 'salt of the earth' type of females without shaved armpits (@Wacofan would refer to them as hippies)

-or-

were they like below...

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They were a mix of British and Italian. I walked in and they were in a circle painting their nails and reading magazines.

I needed the laugh after BHM-LAX-SYD in coach/jumpseats!
 
Thanks for all the great ideas, everybody!

I hadn't even thought about hostels for accomodations. Any tips on that sort of thing?
 
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