lostplanetairman
Well-Known Member
No one has accepted his story as the transcript of the flight shows that it was not true. He's been very successful in his career as a result.
I would suggest that either you care or you stop posting trash.
Airline Scab Questions
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I would suggest that either you care or you stop posting trash.
BobDDuck
Island Bus Driver
Don't confuse uninformed, third party, Flight Sim experts, with guys that actually have some skin in the game.
They scabbed.
They knew they scabbed.
One of them realized his mistake after the fact.
That changes nothing.
Frozen Concentrated Orange Juice is both clever, convenient as ever,* and delicious.
*Oxford comma!
Yes. Just pull up into the closed pattern, keep it jinking a bit, and land.
......but yes, I know where you're coming from...
Soul Brotha'
Off to go do Black guy stuff
I was on an overnight about a year ago. At this particular bar it is happy hour from 5-7 every day so all the pilots just seem to be there at this time 
. Well after a few adult beverages United, AirTran, American and JetBlue crews became best buddies. We all decided to continue our coalition of air crews at a few more watering holes. At one of these bars it became knowledge that the AirTran CA crossed the line back at Eastern(don't know how it came up). Every one of us got up and left that scab mofo at that bar. The FO flying with him claimed he had no clue the guy crossed the line.
. Well after a few adult beverages United, AirTran, American and JetBlue crews became best buddies. We all decided to continue our coalition of air crews at a few more watering holes. At one of these bars it became knowledge that the AirTran CA crossed the line back at Eastern(don't know how it came up). Every one of us got up and left that scab mofo at that bar. The FO flying with him claimed he had no clue the guy crossed the line.
Polar742
All the responsibility none of the authority
Yes. Just pull up into the closed pattern, keep it jinking a bit, and land.
......but yes, I know where you're coming from...
Doesn't work quite as handy in a fat whale. You get awfully close to hillsides and encampments.
Great location for an airfield, huh? In the lowlands near the mountains.
We opened up Bagram in '01 with our A-10s back when it was a single 4000 or so foot strip, with only one side of the runway open at any given time due to holes in the runway, and the parking area was PSP steel matting for my unit's 8 A-10s, 8 USMC AV-8s next to us, and Army helos. Only instrument approach was an ASR/PAR to Rw 3.
Times sure have changed.
It was a big as hell deal when the first F-16s landed there, and one went into the minefield off the end of the runway a few days before I left.
Murdoughnut
Well sized member
No one has accepted his story as the transcript of the flight shows that it was not true. He's been very successful in his career as a result.
Ease up chief. I was only recounting pages of discourse on the subject where the FO pled his case and respondents seemed somewhat split (80/20) on his guilt. I only said I don't care because I'm not a commercial pilot and not part of a union.
Come on now, you tried to hire me for your Virtual.Eastern Airlines!
A Life Aloft
Well-Known Member
"Seeing all of the United pilots on the line at ORD was one of the most memorable and uplifting experiences that I will ever have as a
pilot representative. Senior pilots who were literally striking for the “unborn.” Pilots who had nothing to gain and everything to lose.
Pilots who had sat as 17 year flight engineers at a very stagnant United Airlines. Junior guys like me who had just gotten back from
furlough, former flight managers who a year earlier couldn’t have imagined doing such a thing, all walking the line together and liter-
ally putting their jobs on the line.
There were dark days in 1985, as there are today and will be in the future. We will continue to endure the vagaries of the airline industry and ultimately it may be simple luck that determines our fate. Nevertheless, in 1985, we demonstrated that unity is a very
powerful weapon to combat corporate greed and management hubris. For the participants of the strike, we will all agree, those
29 days in 1985 have become an indelible part of our memory. For myself, at no other time in my 37 years at United can I say I
was more proud to be associated with this pilot group.
In looking back at the heroism and strength demonstrated by our fellow pilots in the Spring of 1985, we take stock in
what makes United’s pilots unique. The generation before us laid a solid foundation in which to rebuild a stronger future for
all of us. These are the giants on whose shoulders we now stand, and of whose legacy we will sustain" -Captain Mark Bathurst
lostplanetairman
Well-Known Member
When you walk the line one has a different perspective. And having someone insist that because some folks on the internet believed the scab's lies makes him ok elicits an emotional response. The truth is in the tapes; they were scabs.
Murdoughnut
Well sized member
I never said he was right - I just said he had a story that struck at least some, if not many, as feasible. My opinion was that based on his response I wouldn't blacklist the guy, but my opinion doesn't matter since I don't do the job and, as you rightfully pointed out, I'm not on the line. From an outside perspective it just seemed to me like folks were too emotional to consider his case fairly. But I'm sure I have less info than many of you on it.
BEEF SUPREME
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One of the captains at my former employer was totally opposed to using Clay Lacy at BFI because apparently he was a scab. It was a 135 flight. He was retired 121. He was pretty livid about the whole thing.
I've had enough problems of my own at that point and just wanted to stay out of it all.
I've had enough problems of my own at that point and just wanted to stay out of it all.
amorris311
Well-Known Member
That's who @A Life Aloft was referring to in his earlier post. Mr. Lacy has some suspect ethical issues besides his picket line crossing.
BEEF SUPREME
Well-Known Member
Personally I think a lot of people have ethical issues in aviation. I can only pray that next time they are a little bit nicer to someone who only wants to be able to make house payments and ride his bike. I've had to fight some really unfair battles in my short career and certainly don't want to get involved in anyone else's drama. I've never been in a union but I think they exist for a reason and I'm certainly not anti union. I think I would have been in a much, much different situation if any of my small troubles had happened at a union job.
lostplanetairman
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I didn't say you weren't on the line. I said when one walks the (picket) line (as I and 400+ of my coworkers which was 100% of our seniority list) one has a different perspective. Your comment about being too emotional to consider his case fairly is insulting to the entire pilot group that witnessed the flight in real time. You were not there and prefer to ignore the facts. They were scabs. I'm done.
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ERfly
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No one bought his story. Trust me. The only thing that the industry bought was that he was an absolute moron and nothing more. There was nothing to consider. He flew struck work. Plain and simple. There's no ifs, ands or buts about it. There is no gray area. It was a struck flight and they crossed a picket line and flew struck work. Label the guy a scab for the rest of his life because that's what he is. I'm sorry. There is no debating that fact.
I don't work for Spirit, but I have friends that do. I walked the picket line on a hot day in June back in 2010 with the Spirit pilots. I walked because they were fighting to make this job better for all of us. I was humbled when I stood in that room at the Sheraton and the MEC and SPSC Chairmen stood up and said not 1 Spirit plane had turned a wheel and not 1 Spirit pilot had crossed (save for the 2 aforementioned a-holes) since they walked out of the job 5 days earlier. I was there when the notice came in that they had a TA. I walked the picket line as a proud Union pilot because those Spirit guys made huge sacrifices to make all our lives better. They risked everything because that was the right thing to do!
I sure as hell am not going to trivialize what 2 idiots in a clapped out MD-80 from some scumbag MIA operator did that could have ruined the very hard work these fine men and women fought for. If you knew the stories of their pilots, if you were out there with the former Chief Pilot and D.O. who stepped down from their positions to fight for their pilots, if you saw what I saw out there on that hot afternoon in the Florida sun, you could talk. You didn't, so don't.
A Life Aloft
Well-Known Member
Pilots and FAs from 14 different carriers showed up to walk with the pilots from Spirit at various airports that Summer. They are a great group of guys and gals.
"Unity works, but is rarely achieved.
What happens when a group of pilots is beaten down by management and the industry?
What happens when a group of pilots are told that they must continue to accept concessions for the company to be successful?
What happens when you believe that there is nothing that you can do?
Try Unity."
If you have no integrity, then you really have nothing else of value.
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amorris311
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@Seggy and I walked the night they went out. Not only was there great solidarity from ALPA and the AFA, but NATCA guys were there as well. I even remember seeing a few guys who struck at Eastern walking. They had some stories to tell about the Lorenzo days.
I too am proud to have been there to witness a group of pilots stand up for a large industry. Even I, as a lowly Colgan pilot, understood they were fighting to make my career better.
I too am proud to have been there to witness a group of pilots stand up for a large industry. Even I, as a lowly Colgan pilot, understood they were fighting to make my career better.
A Life Aloft
Well-Known Member
Nothing lowly at all along the way with building your time and experience on your career path. Every job on that road has value and meaning if you make it so. We had some terrific EAL guys at UAL and I value the time I shared with them and what I learned. You performed an honorable deed in walking with the Spirit pilots. Good on you, man.