Jimmy_Norton
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Why does ATC always ask if I have ATIS information Alpha, when I just called to taxi from Signature with information Alpha?
Airline push question?
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Cptnchia
Dissatisfied Customer
Because like the general population as a whole, people don't listen. They have a spiel, and they follow it. Just like when you call a business and say, "Hi, my name is XXXX, I'd like some information." The operator usually responds, "OK, what's your name?"
People nowadays cannot process and transfer information. I blame the cash registers McDonalds uses. Instead of words or numbers, they have pictures of the food items.
People nowadays cannot process and transfer information. I blame the cash registers McDonalds uses. Instead of words or numbers, they have pictures of the food items.
ctab5060X
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I have heard it on the ATIS before, but only at one particular airport. I'm 99% sure it was Pensacola...
RDoug
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For the same (and real) reason that Operational Errors and Deviations are through the roof. Because, chances are, the controller to whom you are speaking has less than five years of experience, the screening process at the FAA Academy that once separated out the chaff from the wheat was eliminated years ago (and only just recently reinstated), and people who less than just a decade ago would have been bounced out of the career field during training are now routinely being certified to fill in for the critical lack of bodies necessary to run the NAS with little to no consideration as to how dangerous and inexperienced they are.
Screaming_Emu
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I think that's in Pensacola. I wanna say OKC as well.
FLflyer
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PHX used to have this in their ATIS, specifically said "Do not call ground for push", they still may as I haven't been there in a while.
ABQ I believe says this in their ATIS.
MKE has signs posted right on the walls, facing the plane, at gates E-62 and E-63 that say "Do NOT call ground for Push".
PNS says this in their ATIS.
dasleben
That's just, like, your opinion, man
Ah, well I stand corrected. I've been to all those places, but not in 3-4 years.
I just wish there was some consistency. ICAO countries seem to be pretty standard.
z987k
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I get that daily. 50V ready to taxi from XFBO with A/B/C etc.
50V taxi to runway X via X.
5 seconds later.....
50V verify you have information a/b/d/c.
Every single day.
Cruise
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I'll usually give ground a "courtesy call" that we're pushing. Keeps everyone on the same page. Perhaps they have inbound traffic that I'm unaware of and by having us hold the push for a minute, it will improve the ramp traffic flow (or some other similar scenario). Also, as was mentioned above, this will help ATC coordinate a flow time for takeoff and we can maintain as efficient operation as possible.
I can think of at least one airport/ gate area that has signs on the terminal specifically stating to "call ground for push" and then when you call them, you're told the ramp is uncontrolled and to push at our discretion. :insane: The airport: BWI (D gates)
I can think of at least one airport/ gate area that has signs on the terminal specifically stating to "call ground for push" and then when you call them, you're told the ramp is uncontrolled and to push at our discretion. :insane: The airport: BWI (D gates)
Cruise
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Not sure. I've definitely mentioned it to them when making the call for push/ taxi.
X-Forces
Big Black Guy
I'll buy that answer!
If there is a ramp, I'm going to call them. If there is a metering, I am going to call them. Otherwise I'm going to call ground, but I am calling someone before I push 40 tons of jet backwards!
If they want to get pissed at me over the call, so be it!
Neither. I just print the D-ATIS from the aircraft printer.
Only ATIS I've heard this in is OMA...
:yeahthat:
Listen to ATIS? What's that?
I listen when the ACARS printer is out of paper (And I don't have my spare roll), or when I have to fly into little Podunk airports like XNA!
RDoug
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Well, the controller doesn't have a lot of input on that. You need to make two calls to get to the people who can actually take care of that—Airport Operations and either the Tower Manager or a shift supervisor (if either will quit playing minesweeper long enough to take the call).
dasleben
That's just, like, your opinion, man
Man, I miss ACARS!
dasleben
That's just, like, your opinion, man
Oh, wait until you're complaining about CPDLC being out!
Never!
"Shanwick, Shanwick..."
SpiraMirabilis
Possible Subversive
I've heard it specifically in the ATIS: Do NOT call Ground for pushback, ramp is uncontrolled. It was one of those long ass ATIS where invariably you miss one part of it and have to spend 15 minutes listening to it again.
KLB
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I hate those type of ATIS reports. It's even tougher when you're single pilot and you're trying to get your arrival ATIS in busy airspace. It always seems that everytime some important piece of information comes up. Someone talks talking on my other radio and I miss what I needed. I can't deselect that radio and just listen to ATIS because then I might miss something from the controllers. Arrrrgggggg!
Screaming_Emu
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Yeah, I've always thought it would be a good idea to get rid of the "pilots must read back all hold short instructions" from the ATIS. That's something taught at the private pilot level.
That's what is frustrating about being a pilot nowadays. There is so much information put out there, but very little is done to give us only what is pertinent. A good example is the NOTAM that our company includes in our release packet saying that the runway in LGA has been deiced with liquid deicer....dated sometime in January. That and the "unlit tower 5 miles from the airport at 500ft" If I'm at 500ft 5 miles from the airport, I'm pretty much screwed anyway.