Airline push question?
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dasleben
That's just, like, your opinion, man
Why do you guys call ground for a push when it specifically says in the ATIS that the ramp is uncontrolled, push at your own discretion? I'd lose my crap if I was the ground controller.
We're too cool for ATIS.
drunkenbeagle
Gang Member
I've seen some busy GA fields where ground wants a heads up. Most not.
Me: <starts to move>
CFI: "OMG! Don't move without calling ground!"
Me: "This is a non movement area, no? The line is like a half mile from here."
CFI: "Well, they like a heads up before you move here..."
Me: "Good grief."
dasleben
That's just, like, your opinion, man
That too. Honestly, I don't think I've ever heard "Don't call for push" in an ATIS, anyway. Not to say jhugz is lying (well, he might be), but I've personally never heard it. Usually I just end up calling anyway.
drunkenbeagle
Gang Member
HAHAHAHAAHA... but yeah.. that.
Being an east coast type, Cali was weird this week. Visual departure procedures that make Oskosh look like a student's first solo. And the airspace seems like it was set by a gerrymandering congressman. "We have to stay above 4000' for fish humping down there, but get ready for a 5000fpm descent to make the field! Hang on!"
CaptBill
Well-Known Member
I've never heard that either, only "uncontrolled ramp" occasionally which I interpret most times as meaning there is no ramp control frequency, or they have gone home for the night. I tend to fly into the bigger and busier airports and find there is a glaring lack of standardized procedures. I get chastised every once in a while but don't lose any sleep over it.
drunkenbeagle
Gang Member
That would cover the smaller ones as well - you just don't notice, tends to be local traffic and all.
Apophis
Resident Iconoclast
It's frequently printed on the airport/taxiway diagram.
dasleben
That's just, like, your opinion, man
News to me!
z987k
Well-Known Member
And all the visual departures are not published, yet you should know them. And yes, holding you crazy high for god know's what, then -5000fpm to make the runway. That's cool cause you're GA right? lol.
The airspace itself I think is very well thought out and allows for efficient ifr and vfr traffic.
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inigo88
Composite-lover
HAHA ok where in Socal was this? Cause I think I've been there.
"This is the Alpha departure."
"Oh really? Where's that published?"
"It's not... But tower expects you to know what it is."
"Oh."
"Monitor and make position reports in this area on 122.75 to avoid a midair with everyone in these practice areas. Call it 'xyz traffic'."
"They put practice areas HERE? Is that freq and procedure noted on the sectional/TAC chart?"
"No."
"..."
Pilotforhire587
Lycra Man
If there is a ramp controller I call them... Unless the Atis asks me to call for puch I usually push and then call for taxi...
CamYZ125
Well-Known Member
The ATIS is worded "Push back calls not required, ramp uncontrolled." As for the three airport remark, do you guys actually listen to the ATIS or just for the letter.
Neither. I just print the D-ATIS from the aircraft printer.
Only ATIS I've heard this in is OMA...
BobDDuck
Island Bus Driver
If I'm heading back to a hub I'll normally tell ground I'm pushing because I get tired of starting up an engine and then when I call for taxi being told I have a 45 minute flow time.
I've only heard the "don't call for pushback" in one place.
And Hugzy... why do you care?
I've only heard the "don't call for pushback" in one place.
And Hugzy... why do you care?
jtrain609
Antisocial Monster
Because airline pilots are all idiots who aren't real pilots, are lazy and don't get paid enough.