Airline Approaches

ATPInstructor said:
Europe is surprisingly behind on incorporating GPS technology
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Its a lot harder to justify a subscription-based navigation system (i.e., Galileo) if you already have a bunch of procedures defined using other, free, global positioning systems. I suspect a lot of their lag is politically motivated ... you know, the European Way (and I don't mean Rumsfeld's "Old Europe").
 
While the Expressway Visual has it's moments, downtown Manhattan and Central Park aren't any of them. The River Visual comes across Manhattan, but if you come across Central Park on that one you're doing it wrong and the possibility of you landing on 13 isn't too good.......
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The Expressway Visual doesn't take you over the Hudson...as you are describing. I think you're getting vectors for the LDA A for 22. But I agree...one unbelievable view of the mythical city.
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I went back and googled several maps of NYC to make sure I wasn't mistaken. What I'm talking about isn't part of the actual Expressway Visual. When you approach NYC from the Northeast LGA approach usually tells you to go direct LGA VOR and then proceed on an outbound heading of something like 220. Anyway, you look out to the right and see White Plains and feel sorry for the Colganites based there. You get vectored over Central Park and along the Hudson over downtown and lower Manhattan. Right over lower Manhattan is when they tell you to turn left direct the tanks, cleared for the approach. The tanks are the beginning of the Expressway Visual, of course.
 
Had to do an NBD approach during training, but haven't had to do one in the real world. Even then, it's using the FMS, so it's "cheating." An NBD approach used to be part of the checkride at PCL until they decommissioned the beacon.
 
For us in the Brasilia I'd say the ILS is the most common. GPS approaches are not uncommon these days. Heck, just did a VOR approach into Bakersfield last week and an VOR-DME into Elko NV just the other day.

Just off the top of my head, the only NDB approach I can think of ever doing here is in Sun Valley Idaho. However we usually do the GPS approach now. (Lower mins.)
 
Naw, a GPS approach is an RNAV approach but an RNAV approach is not a GPS approach.

If you have an actual RNAV unit, like say a KNS 80, then you can "move" a VOR and create waypoints you can fly to. So you can shoot an RNAV approach with a GPS because the database will already have these waypoints in it.

But you can't make do a GPS approach with an RNAV unit. While GPS IS aRea NAVigation (get it?), it's not actually an RNAV unit, which is a specific piece of equipment.
 
jtrain609 said:
Naw, a GPS approach is an RNAV approach but an RNAV approach is not a GPS approach.

If you have an actual RNAV unit, like say a KNS 80, then you can "move" a VOR and create waypoints you can fly to. So you can shoot an RNAV approach with a GPS because the database will already have these waypoints in it.

But you can't make do a GPS approach with an RNAV unit. While GPS IS aRea NAVigation (get it?), it's not actually an RNAV unit, which is a specific piece of equipment.
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I knew that you'd be the one to answer. I hope in a years time I'm as cool and knowledgeable as you!

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Dude I don't know •, I just happened to fly somewhere that we had a KNS80 and I figured out how to use it :)

EDIT: DUDE! Turn on AIM!
 
GaTechKid said:
The Expressway Visual to LGA is quite possibly the greatest approach on the east coast. It really doesn't get any better than getting vectored over downtown Manhattan and Central Park. :)
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:yeahthat: Man, I love that approach! Cruise over Manhattan, Shea Stadium, Flushing Meadows.......

It's just a great view for the entire approach.....good stuff, good stuff.
 
KLB said:
I'm no Colganite, but White Plains' not a bad place to stay.....that is, if you can afford it.:)
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I'm not based there.....but I think Colgan gives those people (HPN) somewhere around a $300 bump per month to adjust for cost-of-living in the area.
 
JFK's Canarsie approach is a nice one as well, using 1 VOR for two runways. :)

From what I can gather, there are two NDB approaches in the San Joaquin valley (at least that I know of): both at Tracy, using Tracy NDB.
 
jtrain609 said:
Dude I don't know •, I just happened to fly somewhere that we had a KNS80 and I figured out how to use it :)

EDIT: DUDE! Turn on AIM!
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I'm impressed. I used to fly a B200 that had an RNAV and no one could figure the darn thing out. Had to love the GPS that was mounted between the seats though. :sarcasm:
 
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