Airbus is getting rather nasty

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My beef with Airbus is that the Europeans are absolutely incompetent at properly integrating electronics. Yes, I know this isn't a Jaguar or Citroen car, and the things aren't falling out of the sky constantly, but I'd be absolute scared to death the entire time. Airbus guys can keep your paycheck as far as I'm concerned. I mean that in kind of a tongue and cheek way, but compared to 'murica and the Japenese, European's and electronics are a disaster.

That being said, I don't trust hydraulics in general. :)
 
UAL747400 said:
My beef with Airbus is that the Europeans are absolutely incompetent at properly integrating electronics. Yes, I know this isn't a Jaguar or Citroen car, and the things aren't falling out of the sky constantly, but I'd be absolute scared to death the entire time. Airbus guys can keep your paycheck as far as I'm concerned. I mean that in kind of a tongue and cheek way, but compared to 'murica and the Japenese, European's and electronics are a disaster.

That being said, I don't trust hydraulics in general. :)
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You speak from first hand experience with Airbus electrical systems...... right?
 
A-300F4-622R said:
You speak from first hand experience with Airbus electrical systems...... right?
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Nope, just everything else they've ever done with electronics. Regarding airplanes being more of a global effort than say, their cars, I suspect they're a bit more reliable. It'd be in the back of my mind for awhile to say the least.
 
UAL747400 said:
Nope, just everything else they've ever done with electronics. Regarding airplanes being more of a global effort than say, their cars, I suspect they're a bit more reliable. It'd be in the back of my mind for awhile to say the least.
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Please... I've owned many cars... and never ever had i had as many issues with the electronics as i had with my Cadillac...
Mercedes CLK208 1997-2012 Never had a single issue
Audi S6 2012 So far no issues
Pontiac Fiero 1988 electrical failure since day one
Cadillac CLS 1999 No even Cadillac could fix the electrical issues with the car, spent 3250USD at cadillac and had to tow it to a electrical specialist ("Italian guy") who fixed the problem in 2 hours and charged me 450USD.

Now i prefer Boeing over Airbus, but i'd fly any jet for the right job
 
Johnny Beau Bekkestad said:
Please... I've owned many cars... and never ever had i had as many issues with the electronics as i had with my Cadillac...
Mercedes CLK208 1997-2012 Never had a single issue
Audi S6 2012 So far no issues
Pontiac Fiero 1988 electrical failure since day one
Cadillac CLS 1999 No even Cadillac could fix the electrical issues with the car, spent 3250USD at cadillac and had to tow it to a electrical specialist ("Italian guy") who fixed the problem in 2 hours and charged me 450USD.

Now i prefer Boeing over Airbus, but i'd fly any jet for the right job
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Historically, European cars are terrible with electrics. Anything British quits working if it rains anywhere on the planet.

The Fiero is your fault. Don't buy something that stupid.
 
I think those ads show that Airbus actually feels threatened.

In a way, they're right -- let's not forget that the 737 Max wasn't even really planned by Boeing until the Farnborough Airshow in 2010. Airbus showed up to Farnborough to market the A320 NEO, and Boeing had nothing to counter it -- but it turns out a whole crapload of airlines wanted something new from Boeing instead of the NEO. Airbus took a lot of orders, but there were a good number of airlines that openly scoffed Airbus (some pretty funny quotes in the media about it from what I remember) and really wanted to spend their money with Boeing.

So, Boeing whipped out the MAX design in short order (a month or something later)....and customers ate it up like crazy. Boeing hadn't spent years planning on how to make a better single aisle small twinjet, instead they just said "how can we apply the 787 technology to the 737 and get something on paper here to satisfy our customers quick."

From initial reports, it certainly seems like a straight-up '37 with new shoes. Still remains to be seen if this is actually what will roll out the doors in Renton once they actually start making it. There's plenty of time for Boeing to apply other design and manufacturing lessons learned on the 787 and make many changes. 757 sure changed between proposed design and what was actually built (my dad was a Boeing engineer on the 757 in the early 80s and we actually have one of these early desktop models at home somewhere):

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I can see where that would really piss off Airbus, and going direct to the ad hominem attack just means that they can't win on merit of their product alone.
 
troopernflight said:
Of course, this is not indication of one aircraft being safer than another, but interesting stats.

Airbus A30030 accident(s)
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Airbus A3108 accident(s)
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Airbus A32019 accident(s)
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Airbus A3212 accident(s)
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Airbus A3306 accident(s)
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Airbus A3404 accident(s)
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ATR 42/7230 accident(s)
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Boeing 737134 accident(s)
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Boeing 737 Next Gen11 accident(s)
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Boeing 74745 accident(s)
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Boeing 7578 accident(s)
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Boeing 76712 accident(s)
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Boeing 7772 accident(s)
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Can you put that next to a total units produced and hours flown? Because then it would mean a bit more.
 
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