Air India plane crash

jtrain609 said:
Sure, but I'm talking about the roll axis, not the pitch axis. Plenty of airliners, all of the ones I've flown since 2014, have AOA limiters. That still means you need to keep flying the airplane and keep it level. There is nothing stopping you from panicking as you get close to the ground and trying to maneuver around an object you have no chance of avoiding, dragging a wingtip, and killing everyone on board as the airplane cartwheels.

At least one person may have been saved because these guys seemingly kept their • together as they got a front row seat to their impending death.
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Can a 787 perform an automated departure? I know these airplanes land themselves but can they take off on autopilot as well? Honest question.
 
Malko said:
The 3rd paragraph kind of conflicts with the 2nd....But hey....keep on keeping on.
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The video prompted a general question. It was not specific to this incident. If I WERE speculating, I would think that it's very unlikely the cause was bad fuel. Other aircraft would be affected.

I really don't know what could have caused this crash. It's bizarre. Sure, I could think of possibilities, but i don't have enough aviation knowledge or experience to have an informed opinion.

It really was just a question.
 
Roger Roger said:
I’m not sure I agree, to me the CCTV of the full takeoff everything looks fairly normal for a fully loaded heavy until about 100’, then it looks like it just loses any forward push and holds the attitude as it sinks into the ground.
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To me, the rotation looks slow and the deck angle looks shallow at its highest point. But it did look like it rotated and lifted until it couldn't, then basically just flew the plane into the ground nose-high at whatever minimum airspeed the FBW system pitches to maintain.
 
A picture taken and sent to family before they took off for London. I say this often, but never take for granted that last duty day or go home leg. Things can end instantly and when they end for us, we take hundreds away from this beautiful life as well. Fly safe, fly rested and fly well.


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knot4u said:
Can a 787 perform an automated departure? I know these airplanes land themselves but can they take off on autopilot as well? Honest question.
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I've never flown anything that can. I'm sure it would be a trivial capability to add, but I don't think they've seen the need.
 
In the security camera video it looks like the aircraft lifted-off when it was approximately in the middle of the roofline of the shed in the foreground.

I did some rough geolocating and figure the liftoff point was around 8,500 past the start of the runway (~3000 ft remaining).

The estimation was made with very oblique angles and eye•ing so there’s a lot of inaccuracy, but that distance is in the neighborhood of reasonable for a normal takeoff; especially if their flight planning system does any kind of runway-optimizing thrust reduction.

( The camera appears to be at N23.080898 E072.640796 )
 
Minuteman said:
In the security camera video it looks like the aircraft lifted-off when it was approximately in the middle of the roofline of the shed in the foreground.

I did some rough geolocating and figure the liftoff point was around 8,500 past the start of the runway (~3000 ft remaining).

The estimation was made with very oblique angles and eye•ing so there’s a lot of inaccuracy, but that distance is in the neighborhood of reasonable for a normal takeoff; especially if their flight planning system does any kind of runway-optimizing thrust reduction.

( The camera appears to be at N23.080898 E072.640796
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Yeah, right in this area it seems
 

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I did see a NY Post video link from a pax that was supposedly on the same a/c the previous flight. Video shows/refers to all kinds of power issues and things not working. Its the NY Post and no way to verify truth so didn’t bother posting link. Who knows.
 
Mayday call saying engines out, RAT deployed (does that make the bang the pax heard? Is it packed with C4 on the 787?), sinking at a constant attitude with a last pull in the end, this is pretty wild. A Dana Air MD-80 had a similar accident in Nigeria lost both immediately after takeoff and went into a crowded market. No video but airborne about the same time maybe a little longer, that one was fuel contamination.

If this turns out to be some weird flaw, not good for Boeing and 787 operators. They kicked up dust on rotation then I guess just lost power. Videos would probably have caught a large enough bird or flock of birds but didn't. For sure this report will be very anticipated. Scary stuff.
 
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ChasenSFO said:
Mayday call saying engines out, RAT deployed (does that make ths bang the pax heard? Is it packed with C4 on the 787?), sinking at a constant attitude with a last pull in the end, this is pretty wild. A Dana Air MD-80 had a similar accident in Nigeria lost both immediately after takeoff and went into a crowded market. No video but airborne about the same time maybe a little longer, that one was fuel contamination.

If this turns out to be some weird flaw, not good for Boeing and 787 operators. They kicked up dust on rotation then I guess just lost power. Videos would probably have caught a large enough bird or flock of birds but didn't. For sure this report will be very anticipated. Scary stuff.
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I don’t know what the reputation of air India is, but I wouldn’t rule out some bat• pilot stuff based on other accidents from that part of the world.
 
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