Air Force Sim Time towards ATP

mhcasey

mhcasey

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Folks,

Apologies up front - my FAR knowledge is not where it should be these days. I'm just trying to figure out if I can count any of my Air Force sim time towards total time for an ATP under 61.159? Sounds like the time needed to be by an accredited Part 142 outfit. I have to think the countless hours I've spent in my guchi Air Force sims flying instruments and receiving training in high performance jets should count for that?

Also - I thought I remembered reading somewhere that for an ATP the 500 hour XC requirement does not require landings be made >50 miles away, i.e. - I could log almost all of my Air Force time as ATP XC since we blast quite a bit further than that to the MOAs (and then come back and land at the same place). Can someone point me towards the regs or call my BS?
 
That's correct -- X-C time for ATP purposes does not include a landing.

Going to the MOA and back, so long as it is greater than 50 miles away, is valid X-C time.
 
Must be a 142 center for the time to count (I know some military training is done in these centers such as FSI). Otherwise simulator time does not count for that purpose. Also do not use the simulators for an FAA check ride unless it is specifically certified by the FAA to do so. The military does not normally bother with FAA certification of their simulators.
Also be aware that your time in "high performance jets" does not in and of itself count as a high performance endorsement. Unlike some of the other endorsements such as the high altitude endorsement you must actually have the specified traing and an endorsement for the HP.
 
Blackhawk said:
Also be aware that your time in "high performance jets" does not in and of itself count as a high performance endorsement. Unlike some of the other endorsements such as the high altitude endorsement you must actually have the specified traing and an endorsement for the HP.
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This is something that is completely perplexing, especially since all military flight training is conducted with a single engine turboprop in the mix. I understand it to be true -- I read it after the discussions here on JC several years ago -- but that doesn't make it any less of a head-scratcher.
 
Hacker15e said:
This is something that is completely perplexing, especially since all military flight training is conducted with a single engine turboprop in the mix. I understand it to be true -- I read it after the discussions here on JC several years ago -- but that doesn't make it any less of a head-scratcher.
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The FAA is changing this when they change the HP endorsement and complex endorsements. It is an anachronism anyway. You don't need a HP endorsement to fly jets but you might need one to fly a bonanza.

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SpiraMirabilis said:
The FAA is changing this when they change the HP endorsement and complex endorsements. It is an anachronism anyway. You don't need a HP endorsement to fly jets but you might need one to fly a bonanza.

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I don't see that changing any time soon.
 
Hacker15e said:
This is something that is completely perplexing, especially since all military flight training is conducted with a single engine turboprop in the mix. I understand it to be true -- I read it after the discussions here on JC several years ago -- but that doesn't make it any less of a head-scratcher.
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Having flown TPs, jets and HP airplanes I do not necessarily see a positive skill set transfer from one to another.
 
I think the point was that in order to be flying mil jets, you had to have flown a high perf turbine to get there. Thus proving you can fly a high perf single prop. I agree that the skills needed to fly a 500-1000 HP single are very different than those needed to fly a jet. (I will caveat this by saying that I do know folks who flew the tweet, and have never flown anything but a jet, so maybe not for those guys :) )
 
ian said:
bump to this.

I'm assuming I can only use PRI/SEC time and not any of my Other time, correct?
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"Other" time is less than worthless and cant be used for anything FAA-wise. Airlift guys and their "other" time......:D
 
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