Aerial Air Soft...oh yeah.

Douglas

Douglas

Old School KSUX
It is 5 A.M. - Should I post this question? Probably not. Asking anyway.:pirate:

Is there anything in the Regs that would stop me from attaching two Air Soft machine guns to an airplane and setting up targets shoot at?

Paint ball would be cool too.

Then they asked me the question, "What about mounting a real guns to the plane?"

I'm just almost positive that the federal government has to have a law somewhere that says "thou shall not hook weapons to aircraft for recreational strafing purposes."


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Having strafed/gunned in real life, I think you'd find the actual act of doing anything with those paintball/airsoft weapons so challenging that it would squelch the fun to be had. It would also be dangerous as hell if you were trying to hit something on the ground.

Think about the fact that you have to be pointed *at* whatever you are shooting...and in an airplane, that means that you are closing distance on that target every second you are aiming at it.

What is the effective range of those weapons? How close to something do you have to be in order for them to be accurate? Now, think about you flying along in an airplane -- how long do you think it takes your airplane to cover that distance at whatever speed you are at? Now add to that "firing range", the amount of time that it takes you to aim the gun at that target using JUST stick/rudder/aileron and using a small circle on the windscreen. How much time does that take? In the fighter jet world, where we practice this, that time takes 5 seconds. How far does your airplane travel in 5 seconds?

Don't forget, if you are aiming at the ground, you need to be able to pull up and avoid the ground, so you need a minimum pull-up altitude, so add that to your time/distance away from the target you need to be.

So, is all that time/distance we've been adding up still in the effective range of the weapons you're talking about?
 
So what you're REALLY saying is that we need someone to film this? :)
 
When wolf hunting was common back in the day around here, guys used to hook up shotguns to their supercubs' wingstruts and rig some sort of firing mechanism to the cockpit. I'm not kidding. They'd dive down on a wolf, shoot it, then land on the lack and walk to it so they could get the ear.
 
ppragman said:
When wolf hunting was common back in the day around here, guys used to hook up shotguns to their supercubs' wingstruts and rig some sort of firing mechanism to the cockpit. I'm not kidding. They'd dive down on a wolf, shoot it, then land on the lack and walk to it so they could get the ear.
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I'd have a hard time believing that any kills would be registered with a single shot device mounted on the wing struts. Maybe a lucky hit here and there, but I could see going a life time without ever registering a kill.
 
ppragman said:
When wolf hunting was common back in the day around here, guys used to hook up shotguns to their supercubs' wingstruts and rig some sort of firing mechanism to the cockpit. I'm not kidding. They'd dive down on a wolf, shoot it, then land on the lack and walk to it so they could get the ear.
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darrenf said:
I'd have a hard time believing that any kills would be registered with a single shot device mounted on the wing struts. Maybe a lucky hit here and there, but I could see going a life time without ever registering a kill.
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Coyote control is still done that way around here

$50 an ear last I heard

The shotgun is not "mounted", but held by the backseater while the pilot flies up next to the Coyote and the backseater takes aim. I heard of one that got in trouble with the FAA because he bolted a C clamp onto his strut to steady the barrel, it was considered a modification without a STC
 
I've often wondered about this (attaching things to the structure, not making a 150-gunship).

Where can I find the guidance that says attaching a small mirror to see if the gear is down is OK, but attaching, say, a camera es no bueno?

I haven't looked too hard, but there must be something. Otherwise, maybe there's a market for GA Bling-Bling. :D
 
ppragman said:
When wolf hunting was common back in the day around here, guys used to hook up shotguns to their supercubs' wingstruts and rig some sort of firing mechanism to the cockpit. I'm not kidding. They'd dive down on a wolf, shoot it, then land on the lack and walk to it so they could get the ear.
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A guy here in Texas blew his prop off doing that.

Twas good times.
 
Hacker15e said:
Having strafed/gunned in real life, I think you'd find the actual act of doing anything with those paintball/airsoft weapons so challenging that it would squelch the fun to be had. It would also be dangerous as hell if you were trying to hit something on the ground.

Think about the fact that you have to be pointed *at* whatever you are shooting...and in an airplane, that means that you are closing distance on that target every second you are aiming at it.

What is the effective range of those weapons? How close to something do you have to be in order for them to be accurate? Now, think about you flying along in an airplane -- how long do you think it takes your airplane to cover that distance at whatever speed you are at? Now add to that "firing range", the amount of time that it takes you to aim the gun at that target using JUST stick/rudder/aileron and using a small circle on the windscreen. How much time does that take? In the fighter jet world, where we practice this, that time takes 5 seconds. How far does your airplane travel in 5 seconds?

Don't forget, if you are aiming at the ground, you need to be able to pull up and avoid the ground, so you need a minimum pull-up altitude, so add that to your time/distance away from the target you need to be.

So, is all that time/distance we've been adding up still in the effective range of the weapons you're talking about?
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Crockrocket94 said:
\And airsofts only shoot like 100 feet. Then they go all squirrly.
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Well I think i have my answers right there. :laff: <100 feet to pull up would be mondo dangerous!



bdhill1979 said:
Perhaps consider mounting on an RC airplane, I think that would be hours of entertainment.
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:beer: the quest continues!
 
Douglas said:
Well I think i have my answers right there. :laff: <100 feet to pull up would be mondo dangerous!




:beer: the quest continues!
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That depends, how fast are you going, what are you flying, how much low level experience do you have? Those are what make it dangerous. When a dude jumps into his highly modified Spectre AC152 Gunship and blasts off in an airplane that lacks the performance to do it without the experience to do it, then yeah, its a problem. When someone skilled at low level flying and the like jumps in and blasts off, no problem. If you do decide to go zooming away, in order to avoid strafing your way into the Darwin awards, remember that the only way out of a max power accelerated stall is to lower the nose, and maybe (just maybe) add flaps. It may be scary at 30', but you just might make it.
 
How fast do those little airsoft pellets move, anyway? Would they even leave the barrel with that much ram air pressure in the other direction?
 
To actually be anywhere near effective in strafing you'd have to have some kind of apparatus that is as, or almost as, lethal as a regular gun -- specifically it would have to go straight pretty far.
 
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