GaTechKid
Well-Known Member
Here's a few questions that I posed to sanwhiner over at MesaLounge about the program and his subsequent answers. After reading all the info I could off of the official site and posts here at JC and MesaLounge these are some of the questions I still had. Hope this helps anyone interested:
1) Do you hour build with a partner for the commercial rating?
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No. There's only 1 flight in the entire program where you are allowed to fly with another student. Every other flight is either solo or with an instructor.
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2) Does any sort of camaraderie develop between MAPD students?
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Tons! Most students who aren't married live with other MAPD'rs once on-line, and we help each other out as much as possible. When the 1900 crashed in CLT, there was an MAPD grad who was the FO. His whole class was at his funeral. There's tons of MAPD guys on-line now, and it's a common bond we all share, sort of like a fraternity. In an industry where it's all about who you know to walk your app in, it's good to know about 100 pilots on-line before you ever fly for Mesa. It's great to be able to walk into a crew room or though a terminal and you know as many guys in there as your Captain - a guy who's been with the comapny for 6 years.
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3) Just out of curiosity, what kept you busy between the time you finished San Juan and the time you went to GS? How did you keep current flying?
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Ooh! Do as I say, not as I do. I did investment banking while I waited to fly for Mesa. I flew a grand total of 3 hours (to keep instrument current) in the 13 months b/t getting hired and going to GS. I would recomend you fly a bit more often than I did. Make's the sim easier.
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Any reasons why you picked San Juan over other schools would be a help
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I did part 61 flying to get my private (was taught by a gal who went on to fly for Mesa, actually, as well as a Riddle grad). The instruction was pretty good, or so I thought. Then I went to MAPD. Instruction was WAY better, a huge difference. There's a reason that 350 hour grads can fly to the same level as 20,000 hour former 121 guys. There's no substitute for experience as far as situational awareness goes - they just 'know' what's going to happen before it happens, while I had to learn the ropes flying a jet into LGA and DCA, but it's not a coincidence that most MAPD grads can hack it with what would otherwise be regarded as 'unqualified' levels of experience. It's just like the US military - it's not the jets that allow the US to maintain air superiority, it's the training - US pilots are trained the best. In my opinion, MAPD guys recieve a similar caliber of training (not the same as military training, but a similar level of quality, just for a different application). I choose MAPD b/c of the interview. There's tons of schools that have 'relationships with airlines'. So freakin' what! Mesa and Commair are the ONLY 2 programs that are actually owned by the airline themselves and guarantee you the interview if you finish. You know you're being trained for airline flying b/c the airline is training you from the begining (don't go to Gulfstream - that will follow you for the rest of your life, that's all I'm gonna' say!) I choose MAPD over Commair b/c MAPD was cheaper, quicker, didn't have the politics of Commair, doesn't require the CFI, and it's really hard to find a single MAPD grad who wouldn't do it again if they had it to do over - Commair grads seem to always have to mention how much a$$ you have to kiss, issues with the financial aspects of the school (they take all your $ or something and it's hard to get it all back), and just generally have lots of negative feedback. I have very little negative to say about MAPD other than the location (FMN sucks) and that you are best served by keeping a low profile - I didn't, and I made it through fine, but . . . it's easier if you don't stand out, say little, and let your flying skills speak for you.
I think MAPD speaks for itself. Actions speak louder than words, and when you jumpseat on Southwest or jetBlue and the Captain says, "You're Mesa right? Did you go to thier flight training program in New Mexico?" and you say "Yes", it's very comforting to hear "So did I. My name's XY, here's my e-mail. Drop me a line when you get the hours to meet minimums." True story. It's all about connections.
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The biggest question that I have right now deals with hiring. I am still unclear on what happens to individuals who have a successful interview with Mesa but the airline is not hiring at that time(such as when Mesa had furloughs). How does the "hiring pool" work exactly?
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Well, I was hired in July 2002. Other people in my groundschool class at Mesa were hired as early as Dec. 2001 and as late as March 2003. All of us were told, "congratulations, you've been hired by Mesa. We are not currently running any groundschools right now. We will notify you if and when we start training for newhires again." It's standard pool action, honestly. You have a seniority # within the pool based on when you were hired and, if you came from MAPD, when you finished the program. I finished earlier, so I had a higher # than others who interviewed with me who finished after me, regardless of me being younger than them (and correspondingly, I was lower in seniority than all the people hired before me). Mesa called MAPD students in that order with the exception of one guy (A PACE guy who was flying for Great Lakes after he finished MAPD. He, along with some CFI guys not from MAPD with significantly more hours, were called before many of the MAPD guys who had finished before him. Since we all ended up in the same GS, we didn't question Lori as to why, and it's not like we had any say in the matter anyway. We're all just happy to finally be flying again).
So, I started MAPD in Jan 2001, and started working for Mesa by Aug. 2003. It took me 29 months to go from start to finish - pretty impressive when you consider that most airlines were furloughing aggressively for most of the time period. Had 9/11 not happened, I could have been with Mesa within 19 months.
1) Do you hour build with a partner for the commercial rating?
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No. There's only 1 flight in the entire program where you are allowed to fly with another student. Every other flight is either solo or with an instructor.
quote:
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2) Does any sort of camaraderie develop between MAPD students?
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Tons! Most students who aren't married live with other MAPD'rs once on-line, and we help each other out as much as possible. When the 1900 crashed in CLT, there was an MAPD grad who was the FO. His whole class was at his funeral. There's tons of MAPD guys on-line now, and it's a common bond we all share, sort of like a fraternity. In an industry where it's all about who you know to walk your app in, it's good to know about 100 pilots on-line before you ever fly for Mesa. It's great to be able to walk into a crew room or though a terminal and you know as many guys in there as your Captain - a guy who's been with the comapny for 6 years.
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3) Just out of curiosity, what kept you busy between the time you finished San Juan and the time you went to GS? How did you keep current flying?
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Ooh! Do as I say, not as I do. I did investment banking while I waited to fly for Mesa. I flew a grand total of 3 hours (to keep instrument current) in the 13 months b/t getting hired and going to GS. I would recomend you fly a bit more often than I did. Make's the sim easier.
quote:
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Any reasons why you picked San Juan over other schools would be a help
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I did part 61 flying to get my private (was taught by a gal who went on to fly for Mesa, actually, as well as a Riddle grad). The instruction was pretty good, or so I thought. Then I went to MAPD. Instruction was WAY better, a huge difference. There's a reason that 350 hour grads can fly to the same level as 20,000 hour former 121 guys. There's no substitute for experience as far as situational awareness goes - they just 'know' what's going to happen before it happens, while I had to learn the ropes flying a jet into LGA and DCA, but it's not a coincidence that most MAPD grads can hack it with what would otherwise be regarded as 'unqualified' levels of experience. It's just like the US military - it's not the jets that allow the US to maintain air superiority, it's the training - US pilots are trained the best. In my opinion, MAPD guys recieve a similar caliber of training (not the same as military training, but a similar level of quality, just for a different application). I choose MAPD b/c of the interview. There's tons of schools that have 'relationships with airlines'. So freakin' what! Mesa and Commair are the ONLY 2 programs that are actually owned by the airline themselves and guarantee you the interview if you finish. You know you're being trained for airline flying b/c the airline is training you from the begining (don't go to Gulfstream - that will follow you for the rest of your life, that's all I'm gonna' say!) I choose MAPD over Commair b/c MAPD was cheaper, quicker, didn't have the politics of Commair, doesn't require the CFI, and it's really hard to find a single MAPD grad who wouldn't do it again if they had it to do over - Commair grads seem to always have to mention how much a$$ you have to kiss, issues with the financial aspects of the school (they take all your $ or something and it's hard to get it all back), and just generally have lots of negative feedback. I have very little negative to say about MAPD other than the location (FMN sucks) and that you are best served by keeping a low profile - I didn't, and I made it through fine, but . . . it's easier if you don't stand out, say little, and let your flying skills speak for you.
I think MAPD speaks for itself. Actions speak louder than words, and when you jumpseat on Southwest or jetBlue and the Captain says, "You're Mesa right? Did you go to thier flight training program in New Mexico?" and you say "Yes", it's very comforting to hear "So did I. My name's XY, here's my e-mail. Drop me a line when you get the hours to meet minimums." True story. It's all about connections.
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The biggest question that I have right now deals with hiring. I am still unclear on what happens to individuals who have a successful interview with Mesa but the airline is not hiring at that time(such as when Mesa had furloughs). How does the "hiring pool" work exactly?
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Well, I was hired in July 2002. Other people in my groundschool class at Mesa were hired as early as Dec. 2001 and as late as March 2003. All of us were told, "congratulations, you've been hired by Mesa. We are not currently running any groundschools right now. We will notify you if and when we start training for newhires again." It's standard pool action, honestly. You have a seniority # within the pool based on when you were hired and, if you came from MAPD, when you finished the program. I finished earlier, so I had a higher # than others who interviewed with me who finished after me, regardless of me being younger than them (and correspondingly, I was lower in seniority than all the people hired before me). Mesa called MAPD students in that order with the exception of one guy (A PACE guy who was flying for Great Lakes after he finished MAPD. He, along with some CFI guys not from MAPD with significantly more hours, were called before many of the MAPD guys who had finished before him. Since we all ended up in the same GS, we didn't question Lori as to why, and it's not like we had any say in the matter anyway. We're all just happy to finally be flying again).
So, I started MAPD in Jan 2001, and started working for Mesa by Aug. 2003. It took me 29 months to go from start to finish - pretty impressive when you consider that most airlines were furloughing aggressively for most of the time period. Had 9/11 not happened, I could have been with Mesa within 19 months.