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anavalairman2

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Good morning my fellow aviation junkies! I am a prospective candidate for ATP and I have a question or 2 about it.

I know that ATP is fixed in price as far as the ACPP goes so as a fella comming in with zero hours of flight time, if I get my PPL along with my ACPP, will the fixed 44k jump up 9 more grand?

Secondly, Once hired as an instructor, is housing provided by the school at the geographical location of which you are instructing at?

Your help is greatly appriciated.
 
I just cant understand why anyone would want to go to ATP...don't you actually want to learn anything?
Not to be negative or anything...
 
I just cant understand why anyone would want to go to ATP...
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Me either! I mean it must be horrible there. What with all those hours of multi engine you have to get in, the opportunity to be an instructor and get more, AND of course the amount of people that are sitting in the right seat earlier than most as a result. Horrible I tell you!

don't you actually want to learn anything?
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Ignoring the poorly written double-negative, I think I get it, and man, you are right on again! I heard you just "pretend" to fly and all the money is to pay off the FAA so you can just be given your ratings!

Not to be negative or anything...
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Oh not at all! Come drop a big brown nasty, without explaining yourself in any detail, whenever you want! We love people like you...really!

Secondly, Once hired as an instructor, is housing provided by the school at the geographical location of which you are instructing at?
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From what I have read, the cost of the housing is $200/mth once you are an instructor, free as a student.
 
themctm said:
I just cant understand why anyone would want to go to ATP...don't you actually want to learn anything?
Not to be negative or anything...
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Sombody is bitter, maybe because you got ripped off by your flight school?



Thanks for the insight. What would be a good recommendation if ATP "Is Horrible", Might as well go to FSA..
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ATP is a good school. The private pilot program is actually a good deal when compared with FBO's. You get 85TT, 25 of that X/C PIC. Break down the cost per hour of flight time and you'll see it comes out to be almost $90/hr with instructor in the 172. Much cheaper then most FBO's. As far as the ACPP, can't beat the price for that amount of multi time. And trust me, you will learn a lot. You will learn what you need to, not just whats on the checkride.
 
Holy Crap. I feel like an as$ now.
I never attended ATP but I know a lot of guys that did. Their grasp of aviation knowledge is how should I say....lacking in certain areas. Knowing airspeed for a plane-bog whoop-Its just a factory that pumps out nonstop mediocrity. Like ERAU.
How many people are going to cruxify me for that?
I know this applies to any school anywhere in the world.
This is just me expressing my opinions.
I kinda thought this was the reason for a place like this.
 
themctm said:
Holy Crap. I feel like an as$ now.
I never attended ATP but I know a lot of guys that did. Their grasp of aviation knowledge is how should I say....lacking in certain areas. Knowing airspeed for a plane-bog whoop-Its just a factory that pumps out nonstop mediocrity. Like ERAU.
How many people are going to cruxify me for that?
I know this applies to any school anywhere in the world.
This is just me expressing my opinions.
I kinda thought this was the reason for a place like this.
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I know people that trained at FBO's and can't tell me the v-speeds of their airplane. I've flown with guys from Embry Riddle that don't know everything either. I guess the airlines need to change their hiring practices seeing as how they hire so many people that are lacking knowledge in certain areas. Tell me just exactly what knowledge is required to complete all of your ratings? Since you know everything and trained at the best school in the world, I'm sure this would be an easy task for you. :D
 
themctm said:
This is just me expressing my opinions.
I kinda thought this was the reason for a place like this.
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From the front page of the website:
There are plenty of commercial sources of information about careers in aviation, however I saw a need for a source of information made by professional pilots for future pilots and others that are interested in a "behind the scenes" perspective.
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While there are a lot of opinions expressed here, often in a *spirited* manner, that is not the "reason" for this website. Those debates and sharing of opinions are a by-product of the discussions that go on among the friends that gather here. Since this is, by intent, an extension of Doug's living room we like to keep the conversations relatively civil. Spirited at times, certainly, but as long as we all keep in mind that we are in someone else's space, and treat our host and this virtual living room with respect, we are free to discuss away! Just remember that this forum is not a publically owned or funded entity, and that spirited debate here is a priviledge, not a *right*.

:)
 
themctm said:
A thousand Pardons. I apologize if I have upset some people. I did not realize I was being "spirited".
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You misunderstand me. No pardons necessary and I doubt if you have upset anyone, least of all me. I was just using your statement as a stepping off point to give a general reminder (to all readers, not just you) of the purpose of this site, since some visitors in the past have assumed a free-for-all attitude that at times has been detrimental to the quality of the site. Occasionally a reminder of the general ground rules is good for everyone to hear.

Don't worry, I'll let you know if I think that things are getting too spirited or if *pardons* are needed.

:D
 
Eh! as long as we don't go offending people I see nothing wrong with expressing any opinion about ATP or anything else on a public forum. I would advise against ATP because I had a horrible experience. I'm sure some of you remember my concerns with the training and for the curious minds, just search by author and I'm sure you'll find it. I finished a few months ago and have since moved on to better and more satisfying things. I had no trouble finding a job so and believe I am a good pilot, mostly because of instructors I knew outside of ATP who were more than willing to help, my constant studying and nosing around the airport. Constant studying is the key phrase here, ATP is a self motivated school. As long as you keep on it, you will be fine. Keep in mind I did almost ALL of my training out of JAX and I'm sure that contributed to my ill feelings towards ATP. I did my initial CFI, however, in ATL and was really impressed. Good luck with your decision.
As far as your questions, just add the private price to the acpp price and thats what you'll pay. Once an instructor you will get an apt. and 800/month + whatever bonuses you get.
 
Dude... people get wierd if you suddenly pop on to a forum and start spouting off about this and that. People here don't know you yet and can't gauge your attitude very well.

Once people get to know you it'll be easier.

Have you even put up a new member post giving your background and experience? Could help break the ice and let us know where you're coming from.
 
There is expressing your opinion in a tactful, logical response, usually with a well communicated argument as to why you feel that way, and then there is what you did: Popped onto a thread where no one, including the original poster, even asked for opinions on ATP in general, and flamed the school. By doing so, you have indirectly made an offensive statement about its’ alumni, employees, and prospective students, all in a three sentence response. So now, did you not think when posting this that maybe people that look at ATP differently than you might respond in the same tone and demeanor as your stated “opinion”?

Maybe you could try constructively discussing the finer points of why, or why not, ATP is such a bad school, preferably in a thread where that is the topic of discussion as well. I would love to hear your thoughts on what schools make a good pilot and why, in a thought out manner. Again, preferably in another thread.

I am sorry I responded with so much sarcasm that offended you, and I am sure Steve's post was a reminder for me too (Sorry Steve). This kind of stuff gets to me, but I should not hit the ball back over the fence sometimes, because it only fuels the fire.
 
themctm said:
A thousand Pardons. I apologize if I have upset some people. I did not realize I was being "spirited".
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Dude, nothing wrong with being "spirited", but we all know very well that at every school there are good students and there are bad students. No school exempt from that. ATP does a good job, from what I hear FSA does a good job etc... etc... but no matter where you go, if you are not willing to study and work hard then your going to be bad... I think what people are saying is that you kind of just jumped in here and started in about ATP. What school or FBO did you attend? Just so people have a backround where your coming from with your thoughts about ATP?
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"I did not realize I was being "spirited""

I didn't think you were. At the same time, if you want people to listen to you, you'll need to take the time to explain yourself. Not sure if you care.

If you really don't like ATP, or your had a bad experience with it like moose, you'd be better off to tell us why.

You notice moose's post and, though it was anti-ATP, none of the ATP proponents guys said a word about it.
 
:confused:I started at Epic Aviation in NSB,FL, bought my own plane because I couldnt find a descent instructor but finally found two, one a bush pilot wintering in FL, the other a 1900 Capt. for a local company. I wanted to learn from someone who had experience not just a couple hundred hours. I got a guy teaching me stick and another teaching me the system. I wasnt taught to read a checklist while I die but to handle real situations that occur often.
I felt I was lucky to learn from experienced people. I, personally, have a problem with people that are cut out of a mold and then turn around and cut someone else out of a mold. We need to learn from people that have wisdom and experience.
I'm scared sometimes to think the guy in the right seat of my jet or t.p. only has 600 and 1 and has probably left the pattern only to do supervised cross countrys in ideal weather.
Though I think its great that people go there to realize their dreams of being an airline pilot.
What I should have said I guess is that people should go to a flight school and then have the want and desire to build experience to be the best they can be and I don't think ATP gives people the skills to do these things UNLESS you just want to sit in a right seat and make $17500 a year.

I'm done. I will speak of this no more. I dont exactly articulate well and I am obviously the only one who feels this way.
 
Go read the accident database at the NTSB. Most of those accidents happened because of pilot error. Checklists are meant to help deter that. Now I still think there should be a good bit of common sense and good judgement. But don't knock ATP cause they use a checklist a mile long. Unless I am mistaken their safety record speaks for itself.

You can learn from the greatest pilot in the world but there are some things you can't master unless you spend a long of time doing them. ATP is teaching pilots how things are out there at the regionals where everything is a checklist.

Obviously your dream is not to be a regional airline pilot. But good luck cause all those other jobs don't pay well either unless you have the hours racked up and the experience that goes with it.
 
That was excellent sir! Thank you very much. I certainly do not think you are the only one that feels this way. Many others, including MR. 727UPS himself, have similar views of schools like ATP.

As a prospective student, and airline pilot wannabe, it helps me immensely to read things like that.

To be honest, that and the cost are the two negatives that I considered when deciding whether or not to choose ATP. I have been fortunate enough to have some very high time experienced instructors so far, and fear those that have not experienced alot.

If I were not almost 32 years old, I would very easily decide to do ALL my training at a local FBO with seasoned instructors. At this point, ATP will get me through much faster. Am I sacrificing a little bit of knowledge? I think I am, but I am also the type that is very oriented towards self-learning and know that I will be spending alot of time gaining knowledge on my own anyway. I will be finishing my PPL at a local school with a seasoned instructor to mediate this a little.
 
themctm said:
I'm done. I will speak of this no more. I dont exactly articulate well and I am obviously the only one who feels this way.
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I think you just sound arrogant.

And plenty of people feel that way... you hear it every day around here.
 
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