Accidental Gear-Up in C-182/RG

tgrayson said:
No, it isn't. It's just an acknowledgement that our behavior is influenced by our environment. All of us. For each of us, there is a situation that could occur that would distract us from our duties. Given enough time, it will occur.

It's very common for people to express contempt for those who have accidents and think it is some flaw in their character. Sometimes that may be true, or it may be that they were unlucky enough to have the wrong combination of distractions that day.

I'd argue that arrogance is more likely to lead to accidents by thinking we too good or too smart or too careful for us to commit a particular mistake. Dying of old age before we do seems a worthy goal and is less likely to make us judge others so harshly.
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I am not judging anyone. I have known guys that I would fly with on any day, that have landed gear up. Alright, call me arrogant then, because the only thing that would distract me enough to land gear up would be some type of catastrophic mechanical failure. I stand by all my previous statements. It is B.S. to say that all pilots have already, or will, land gear up.
 
darrenf said:
the only thing that would distract me enough to land gear up would be some type of catastrophic mechanical failure. I stand by all my previous statements. It is B.S. to say that all pilots have already, or will, land gear up.
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Sorry, I don't think you have any idea what sort of situation would cause you to land gear up. Neither did the pilots who actually did so. How many times have you avoided a crash in your car due to the alertness of other drivers? You can't possibly know.

I spun out my car on icy winter streets a couple of years ago. No other cars were around and I didn't hit anything. However, if I had hit a schoolbus full of children, the mistake I made would have been the same either way. The only thing that separated my embarrassment from catastophe was pure luck. I remind myself of this whenever I start to feel superior to someone who encounters some misfortune.
 
tgrayson said:
Sorry, I don't think you have any idea what sort of situation would cause you to land gear up. Neither did the pilots who actually did so. How many times have you avoided a crash in your car due to the alertness of other drivers? You can't possibly know.
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Apples to Coconuts. How many times has your gear been lowered by the pilot of another aircraft?? And actually I do have an idea, I already mentioned it. Let go of your tired euphemism, it's ok.
 
darrenf said:
Apples to Coconuts. How many times has your gear been lowered by the pilot of another aircraft??
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The point is that most of us aren't paying attention nearly as often as we think we are. Most of the time there are no consequence and we pat ourselves on the back for our skill, when it's largely due to luck, so a degree of humility is in order.

All we can ever do is reduce the odds of bad things happening, we can never make it impossible.
 
Saying every pilot is capable is complete BS. Just like saying the COMAIR at LEX could happen to any one. I hate blanket statements that try to associate everybody with one or few individuals that have poor habits. Being that careless could not happen to anybody. Every one was ok, so use it as a training aide and move on.
 
I'd say a lot has to do with a simple chance. Even the best drivers can get into an accident and even the bad ones can by chance avoid getting into accidents. I say every situation can be expressed in terms of probabilities.
If there is even a slightest chance that something can happen eventually it will if given enough time.
 
skidz said:
I'd say a lot has to do with a simple chance. Even the best drivers can get into an accident and even the bad ones can by chance avoid getting into accidents. I say every situation can be expressed in terms of probabilities.
If there is even a slightest chance that something can happen eventually it will if given enough time.
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Is it "chance" that the "best" drivers forget where the brakes are, or do the "best" drivers get into accidents due to something happening beyond their control? That is the issue here.
 
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