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Blackhawk said:
If fuel issues are being covered in AQP then they have probably come from FOQUA events. If this is the case then captains got into a situation.
As for me personally, just google my name and Flying Magazine and you will see that this is not the case and it is you who are reading too much into this.
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You have done AQP for 2016 right? I'm just asking because maybe you have it coming up in this final month.

Contingency planning and risk management were discussed within the context of fuel utilization. In the situations I recall being discussed it wasn't necessarily a low-fuel situation only sort of issue. It was a clear "the crew didn't really know how much fuel they had," in this case and then a discussion of maybe we should be sure to check our NOTAMs before we dispatch to an airport that may be closing at a certain time.

So, my point is, it's not just the FOs fault or the CAs fault or the Crews fault or the Dispatcher's fault.

It's OUR fault if something goes sideways. It's also OUR actions that keep something from going sideways.
 
surreal1221 said:
You have done AQP for 2016 right? I'm just asking because maybe you have it coming up in this final month.

Contingency planning and risk management were discussed within the context of fuel utilization. In the situations I recall being discussed it wasn't necessarily a low-fuel situation only sort of issue. It was a clear "the crew didn't really know how much fuel they had," in this case and then a discussion of maybe we should be sure to check our NOTAMs before we dispatch to an airport that may be closing at a certain time.

So, my point is, it's not just the FOs fault or the CAs fault or the Crews fault or the Dispatcher's fault.

It's OUR fault if something goes sideways. It's also OUR actions that keep something from going sideways.
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I don't disagree. But once the flight is in the air it is primarily on the crew as they know the fuel state and dispatcher may not.
The cases that were discussed this year, while they started with a dispatcher, ended with the captain. After all, there was plenty of opportunity to divert. I know in one of the cases it was the FO who "saved the day" for a captain's poor decisions.
My point was not to say "I saved the day", but more if I had not paid attention we might have been in a tight fuel state. It's a lesson for FO's and CA's.
 
Blackhawk said:
Yeah, because that's exactly what I said in my original post.
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Well you laid blame on FO's so clearly you and other captains are free from fault. Maybe next time you're in AQP you can spend an extra five minutes on CRM. Understand that you work with your crew instead of point fingers.
 
amorris311 said:
Well you laid blame on FO's so clearly you and other captains are free from fault. Maybe next time you're in AQP you can spend an extra five minutes on CRM. Understand that you work with your crew instead of point fingers.
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I'm not gonna even hold back any here...

The organization he and I are a member of have a wonderful training department, check airmen, and know exactly what they're doing. That said, from a purely academic analysis of what is being taught - they've forgotten about CRM as it is only casually discussed within the realm of TEM.

I'd love to see a greater emphasis on direct CRM training, specifically interpersonal communication skills and leadership/followership training.
 
amorris311 said:
Ok since I'm part of the cupcake/millennial generation I might be slow. We aren't talking about the first person article. We are discussing his latest airline training event.
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You accused him of acting perfect and never making a mistake when in fact he has an entire article written about being in a fuel critical situation and all the mistakes he made. Your argument is invalid.
 
surreal1221 said:
I'm not gonna even hold back any here...

The organization he and I are a member of have a wonderful training department, check airmen, and know exactly what they're doing. That said, from a purely academic analysis of what is being taught - they've forgotten about CRM as it is only casually discussed within the realm of TEM.

I'd love to see a greater emphasis on direct CRM training, specifically interpersonal communication skills and leadership/followership training.
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Yeah, because that's what I did. I wrote about how screwed up FO's are and how they try to kill me all the time.
Oh, wait. I did not write that. I remarked that fuel was covered in AQP- a sign that captains are getting it wrong. I did not want to mention specific events as that is frowned upon by our airline.
I did remark that a few times FO's have tried to put me in fuel situations. Not the end of the world. We look out for each other. In other cases I can talk about how FO's questioned me about things that "saved the day". It's why my brief consists of the big four:
1. Safety 2. Keep our tickets/jobs 3. Customer service 4. Enjoy.
 
T/O w/FSII said:
You accused him of acting perfect and never making a mistake when in fact he has an entire article written about being in a fuel critical situation and all the mistakes he made. Your argument is invalid.
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I didn't have to accuse him. He wrote it himself. Once again, we are not talking about his first person narrative of something that happened while he was drilling with the Guard. We are talking about an airline training scenario and his comments made from that.
 
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