accident and getting hired

MikeD said:
Him alone, or his crew? A lot of people on that flight deck to manage to land gear up unintentionally.
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Coming from a similar aircraft, I'm aware... Ultimately the Aircraft Commander is responsible for safety of flight, so he bought the landing when he signed for the plane before the flight.
 
I definitely know folks with some problems in their history. Be it involuntary downgrade , airspace violations , they're at major airlines now. Guess it depends on the crime...
 
zippy said:
Coming from a similar aircraft, I'm aware... Ultimately the Aircraft Commander is responsible for safety of flight, so he bought the landing when he signed for the plane before the flight.
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Well hopefully the whole crew "bought the landing" by being on the aircraft.
 
You know, there are plenty of people in your shoes that moved past it. We all know about the guy that went on to having a very successful career after several accidents and once he even "appropriated" someone else's airplane. His name is Bob Hoover.
 
Did you say King Air? Most of the medical/insurance outfits I know of are desperately in need of qualified KA pilots. Starting pay is 70K, excellent QOL, etc. Why fixate on airlines??
 
kcpilot said:
A little over 5 yrs ago I was involved in an accident with a student when I was a new CFI with about 300hrs tt. The FAA didn't have me go through a checkride just respond to an email. They told me that it was mostly an unavoidable situation. I have been an assistant chief for a year and have given about 1600hrs of dual in the last two years. Now I am trying to move on to something better. I have had several apps kicked out and don't know why. How does an accident affect getting on with an airline or 135? How would I find out what the FAA wrote in the report as I never was given a copy of it?
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Doesn't seem like you've gotten an answer.
You need a probable cause report (hopefully stating it wasn't your fault)from the ntsb, not the FAA. I had to tell them I was beginning to file a foia request and I had it in my hands within the week. I believe that was around a year after it happened.
I don't remember how I did it, but you should be able to get the person in charge of your case at the ntsb on the phone. This is the person you should "ask if you need to file a foia request".
Good luck and I wouldn't discuss anything on here until the case is long closed. (Mine was 2009 and if you are better at the Internet than me, you should be able find some writing up I did on here)
And to chime in with everyone else, once I had the "proof" it wasn't my fault, it was a non event at interviews and in fact it gave me something very interesting to talk about as there was a lot of positive take aways from my little adventure.
The problem you might have is with the insurance premium you'll have on you for (5?) years to come. Insurance companies don't care whose fault it is when you cause a claim.
And maybe that's only an issue with trying to get on a 91 corporate gig or something that involves filling out those insurance forms?
 
MikeD said:
Who knows. Could be anything, not necessarily the incident in question. Keep applying to other places too. Now if we start talking a multitude of rejections, then there may be something to look into. But if its just the one incident and you were forthright about it on the application, I don't see why that wouldn't at least merit an interview, pending you meet all the othe requirements and don't have any automatic killers like criminal background..
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Yes, this right here. Buddy of mine wasn't called by any regionals for some times despite all of them being desperate...because he didn't have a first-class medical (and failed to notify them once he got it...not the sharpest guy around). Once he included that little fact, the phone started to ring incessantly.
 
bucksmith said:
Doesn't seem like you've gotten an answer.
You need a probable cause report (hopefully stating it wasn't your fault)from the ntsb, not the FAA. I had to tell them I was beginning to file a foia request and I had it in my hands within the week. I believe that was around a year after it happened.
I don't remember how I did it, but you should be able to get the person in charge of your case at the ntsb on the phone. This is the person you should "ask if you need to file a foia request".
Good luck and I wouldn't discuss anything on here until the case is long closed. (Mine was 2009 and if you are better at the Internet than me, you should be able find some writing up I did on here)
And to chime in with everyone else, once I had the "proof" it wasn't my fault, it was a non event at interviews and in fact it gave me something very interesting to talk about as there was a lot of positive take aways from my little adventure.
The problem you might have is with the insurance premium you'll have on you for (5?) years to come. Insurance companies don't care whose fault it is when you cause a claim.
And maybe that's only an issue with trying to get on a 91 corporate gig or something that involves filling out those insurance forms?
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Rather than huffing about filing a FOIA request, you could simply go here:
http://www.ntsb.gov/_layouts/ntsb.aviation/month.aspx

Or here:
http://www.ntsb.gov/_layouts/ntsb.aviation/index.aspx
 
gotWXdagain said:
depends on how bad you do it. In this case it looks like it wasn't.
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The props and engines don't count, so unless you bend a wing in the process, you're probably going to be ok.
Hell, if you were running MT props and didn't remove ALL of the prop in the process, it'd still be airworthy afterwards!
 
Cloud Surfer said:
Yes, this right here. Buddy of mine wasn't called by any regionals for some times despite all of them being desperate...because he didn't have a first-class medical (and failed to notify them once he got it...not the sharpest guy around). Once he included that little fact, the phone started to ring incessantly.
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People generally leave some detail out.

My friend has seen plenty of "Your airline blows, they never called me for an interview" but when you take a peek at the application, it's written in "text speak", full of holes and hasn't been updated since the last time Newt Gingrich ran for president.
 
kcpilot said:
A little over 5 yrs ago I was involved in an accident with a student when I was a new CFI with about 300hrs tt. The FAA didn't have me go through a checkride just respond to an email. They told me that it was mostly an unavoidable situation. I have been an assistant chief for a year and have given about 1600hrs of dual in the last two years. Now I am trying to move on to something better. I have had several apps kicked out and don't know why. How does an accident affect getting on with an airline or 135? How would I find out what the FAA wrote in the report as I never was given a copy of it?
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The word "accident", as it relates to aviation, has a specific definition. If you had one, than the NTSB was involved in some fashion. You made no mention of them. Was it really an "accident?"
 
z987k said:
The props and engines don't count, so unless you bend a wing in the process, you're probably going to be ok.
Hell, if you were running MT props and didn't remove ALL of the prop in the process, it'd still be airworthy afterwards!
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Problem with the Seminole is that if you land it on the belly with flaps out there's a pretty good chance that you twist the aft spar and screw up the carry-through joints.
 
Derg said:
People generally leave some detail out.

My friend has seen plenty of "Your airline blows, they never called me for an interview" but when you take a peek at the application, it's written in "text speak", full of holes and hasn't been updated since the last time Newt Gingrich ran for president.
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Bonus points if it's printed on a dot matrix printer though, right?

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One other thought to the OP- you can always have an interview prep service review your app for you... Maybe there is a mistake in yours that is glaring that you're just missing...
 
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