Accepted to ERAU!

aloft said:
I don't care how much money one has, if you pay twice as much (or more) what something is worth, you're a chump.

Good on ya for trying to show your parents how to better go about it. Personally, if money is no object, I think you'd be better off going to FlightSafety Academy for your flight training. Something else to consider is that a degree from ERAU is not terribly well respected outside aviation circles. It's right up there with University of Phoenix and DeVry.
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When you wake up every morning does someone urinate in your cornflakes right in front of you then make you eat it? Certainly seems like it.

To the o.p. disregard some of the asshattery here. Being accepted to your #1 choice (assuming it is your #1 choice) is quite an accomplishment. Just don't dump your girlfriend (if you have one) thinking there will be better tail at your university ;)
 
aloft said:
I don't care how much money one has, if you pay twice as much (or more) what something is worth, you're a chump.
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Yeah, aloft, it's very clear you believe that. Its not important if you believe that. I'm not even saying I disagree with you that much.

OP: "Hey guys, I'm soooo excited because I got into ERAU!"

Aloft: "Your parents are chumps."

OP: "Gee, um... thanks? I thought JC was a kinder, gentler forum... oh forget it. I'll just go to Gulfstream."

My point is, it is possible to give a dissenting opinion without the insults.
 
As I said before. I have looked at every angle and the one that seems to be best for my situation is going to be ERAU. I have heavily considered Flight Safety but I could not finish my college degree while I am there. I would have to wait to finish college and then attend flight safety which would already mean taking longer to get a flight job. Thanks for the advice aloft but for now I will disregard it.
 
aloft said:
I don't care how much money one has, if you pay twice as much (or more) what something is worth, you're a chump.

Good on ya for trying to show your parents how to better go about it. Personally, if money is no object, I think you'd be better off going to FlightSafety Academy for your flight training. Something else to consider is that a degree from ERAU is not terribly well respected outside aviation circles. It's right up there with University of Phoenix and DeVry.
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As a junior at ERAU, I am aware that if I select to pursue a career within the aviation industry, I will be subjected to the same meager pay that every flight instructor endures. I am not defending Riddle, but rather, providing an alternate perspective from the JC norm.

Riddle’s yearly tuition is at $30,995 per year, which includes tuition and fees, room and board, and books and supplies (source). It’s $4,000 less if you can maintain a GPA >3.0.

Compare that with the average cost of college at a four year private institution in the United States at $33,301 (source). From this, you can conclude Riddle does not exceed the national average.

Flight costs at ERAU are estimated at $10,000 per year. I paid nearly $11,000 last year and the year before. When I graduate, I will have spent $55,000 for flight training. This figure includes all certificates, including my CFI, MEI, and CFII. This figure is on par with ATP and Flight Safety.

My education at Riddle after four years (four year degree, flight certificates): ~$162,980

Earning your education at another private four year university and attaining your certificates at ATP (accounting for $5,000 increase): ~$188,199 (does not include PPL)

Of course, my figures do not account for all variables. And yes, you would save money if you attend a community college or public university. However, my point is that Riddle is on par with the national average.

Moreover, I have friends who are commissioning as officers in the Air Force and Army. Some are entering duties unrelated to aviation. I also have a friend who has graduated and was hired by a government intelligence agency.

To scubayachts: My advice is that you consider your decision very carefully. And if you decide to attend Riddle, study hard, get adequate sleep, and have fun with everything you do. All else should follow.
 
Wm226 said:
I am not defending Riddle, but rather, providing an alternate perspective from the JC norm.

Riddle’s yearly tuition is at $30,995 per year, which includes tuition and fees, room and board, and books and supplies (source). It’s $4,000 less if you can maintain a GPA >3.0.

Compare that with the average cost of college at a four year private institution in the United States at $33,301 (source). From this, you can conclude Riddle does not exceed the national average.

Flight costs at ERAU are estimated at $10,000 per year. I paid nearly $11,000 last year and the year before. When I graduate, I will have spent $55,000 for flight training. This figure includes all certificates, including my CFI, MEI, and CFII. This figure is on par with ATP and Flight Safety.

My education at Riddle after four years (four year degree, flight certificates): ~$162,980

Earning your education at another private four year university and attaining your certificates at ATP (accounting for $5,000 increase): ~$188,199 (does not include PPL)

Of course, my figures do not account for all variables. And yes, you would save money if you attend a community college or public university. However, my point is that Riddle is on par with the national average.
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I can't wait to point people to this info...thanks man!
 
Wm226 said:
As a junior at ERAU, I am aware that if I select to pursue a career within the aviation industry, I will be subjected to the same meager pay that every flight instructor endures. I am not defending Riddle, but rather, providing an alternate perspective from the JC norm.

Riddle’s yearly tuition is at $30,995 per year, which includes tuition and fees, room and board, and books and supplies (source). It’s $4,000 less if you can maintain a GPA >3.0.

Compare that with the average cost of college at a four year private institution in the United States at $33,301 (source). From this, you can conclude Riddle does not exceed the national average.

Flight costs at ERAU are estimated at $10,000 per year. I paid nearly $11,000 last year and the year before. When I graduate, I will have spent $55,000 for flight training. This figure includes all certificates, including my CFI, MEI, and CFII. This figure is on par with ATP and Flight Safety.

My education at Riddle after four years (four year degree, flight certificates): ~$162,980

Earning your education at another private four year university and attaining your certificates at ATP (accounting for $5,000 increase): ~$188,199 (does not include PPL)

Of course, my figures do not account for all variables. And yes, you would save money if you attend a community college or public university. However, my point is that Riddle is on par with the national average.

Moreover, I have friends who are commissioning as officers in the Air Force and Army. Some are entering duties unrelated to aviation. I also have a friend who has graduated and was hired by a government intelligence agency.

To scubayachts: My advice is that you consider your decision very carefully. And if you decide to attend Riddle, study hard, get adequate sleep, and have fun with everything you do. All else should follow.
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Why would you go to another private uni when you can go to a State school for thousands less?
 
caliginousface said:
Why would you go to another private uni when you can go to a State school for thousands less?
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The main benefit to attending a private institution as opposed to a private university is generally smaller class sizes. When I was a sophomore, I followed an ex-hallmate (transfer student) around U of A in Tucson, AZ and noted that the majority of his classes exceeded 100+ students. When we finished one class, we had to wait an hour and a half for the professor's assistance because he was busy assisting other students. That time may have been spent doing something more productive (ex. studying, working, errands, etc.).

This is in sharp contrast to what I experience at ERAU. I can consult with professors at my virtually my leisure and interact in class more frequently. This is especially important because I tend to ask many questions and prefer help. And if I did not have access to professors as I frequently do, I don’t think that I would be able to maintain a very good GPA.

Do generally smaller class sizes merit the public/private university price difference? I suppose the value of such luxury is subjective. But regardless of whether you attend a public or private school, success depends solely on the individual’s drive.

As for me? Do I wish that I attended an in state public university? Sometimes. That is because I would have saved ~$60,000 by the time I graduate. That's nearly equivalent to two years at law school!
 
Wm226 said:
The main benefit to attending a private institution as opposed to a private university is generally smaller class sizes. When I was a sophomore, I followed an ex-hallmate (transfer student) around U of A in Tucson, AZ and noted that the majority of his classes exceeded 100+ students. When we finished one class, we had to wait an hour and a half for the professor's assistance because he was busy assisting other students. That time may have been spent doing something more productive (ex. studying, working, errands, etc.).

This is in sharp contrast to what I experience at ERAU. I can consult with professors at my virtually my leisure and interact in class more frequently. This is especially important because I tend to ask many questions and prefer help. And if I did not have access to professors as I frequently do, I don’t think that I would be able to maintain a very good GPA.

Do generally smaller class sizes merit the public/private university price difference? I suppose the value of such luxury is subjective. But regardless of whether you attend a public or private school, success depends solely on the individual’s drive.

As for me? Do I wish that I attended a public university? Sometimes. That is because I would have saved ~$60,000 by the time I graduate. That's equivalent two years at law school!
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I can see your point. But ERAU was too much sugar coated BS with continual bending over while taking my money for me to stay. But that's cool you dug it.
 
caliginousface said:
I can see your point. But ERAU was too much sugar coated BS with continual bending over while taking my money for me to stay. But that's cool you dug it.
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What bothers me most about Riddle is that they decided to transition to Part 142 during my freshman year. This required much less actual flight time and more ground school/sim time. I believe this was partially done to generate more revenue. This is because sims retain very low operating costs.

Oh yes, and the male:female ratio. But then again, one does gain a new sense of appreciation for women when subjected to this environment! Or is it desperation? :-)
 
Wm226 said:
What bothers me most about Riddle is that they decided to transition to Part 142 during my freshman year. This required much less actual flight time and more ground school/sim time. I believe this was partially done to generate more revenue. This is because sims retain very low operating costs.

Oh yes, and the male:female ratio. But then again, one does gain a new sense of appreciation for women when subjected to this environment! Or is it desperation? :-)
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Yah the sims are cheaper than their aircraft rates but cost just as much as an aircraft across the field. That was pure rapage that upset me dearly.
 
Valid statements but around here in FL what public universities offer the courses we want/take?? I personally know of none, maybe I'm stupid or there just are none. Someone want to enlighten me please??
 
I was accepted into ERAU back in early December and start as a freshman this August. I actually went down and checked the school out before I applied and liked it very much. Everything seemed to be more on a personal or private level and experience. I like this a lot better b/c I feel that I can get so much more out of having smaller classes. Just my .02.
 
aloft said:
I don't care how much money one has, if you pay twice as much (or more) what something is worth, you're a chump.

Good on ya for trying to show your parents how to better go about it. Personally, if money is no object, I think you'd be better off going to FlightSafety Academy for your flight training. Something else to consider is that a degree from ERAU is not terribly well respected outside aviation circles. It's right up there with University of Phoenix and DeVry.
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Your a chump among other things.

i was excited when I got to Riddle and after 3 years learned it wasnt for me, we have to live and learn on our own..now put a cork in it.
 
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