Accelerated courses...

I had to get two people their instrument rating in 2 weeks. They wonder why they weren't able to get it done when for the last 1.5 weeks they had the exact same excuse every day for not studying.

Funny thing is they called me lazy when I was at the school 7 days a week 9AM-11PM to get them done and they would show up late and not study the night before.
 
I see now. It's from the CFI side.

I have done a few accelerated courses as a pilot/student (what is a type rating?) and found no problems. However I have posted on here several times when people asked - you need to be ready to pass the check ride before you get there, and work hard to learn the rest because it is not easy.

I think you are seeing the other side of the coin where the student is not prepared and does not work and you take the hit. BTW if they are not ready for the check ride don't sign them off.

The instrument is probably the largest leap for a private pilot in terms of amount to learn to be able to pass the check ride. Your students obviously do not respect that.
 
falcon20pilot said:
I see now. It's from the CFI side.

I have done a few accelerated courses as a pilot/student (what is a type rating?) and found no problems. However I have posted on here several times when people asked - you need to be ready to pass the check ride before you get there, and work hard to learn the rest because it is not easy.
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It really depends on the student. I did my CMEL at ATP, having come from a far less regimented and intense background. I noted their students were a bit of "all over the place" - some were on the ball, and some were screwballs. The ones who prospered in that training environment were the ones who were on the ball. :rawk: (And then there were the ones who busted certain rides, or the oral before even getting to the ride...)

I think you are seeing the other side of the coin where the student is not prepared and does not work and you take the hit. BTW if they are not ready for the check ride don't sign them off.

The instrument is probably the largest leap for a private pilot in terms of amount to learn to be able to pass the check ride. Your students obviously do not respect that.
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:yeahthat: It was the hardest rating to get - so far (commercial multiengine, about to start CFI).
 
Maurus said:
Funny thing is they called me lazy when I was at the school 7 days a week 9AM-11PM to get them done and they would show up late and not study the night before.
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Elbow to the throat my friend...elbow to the throat.
 
Oh well. Just blowing off some steam. Accelerated programs have their place, but some people just arent cut out for them.
 
Yeah...I thought about going to one of those pilot factories, but I decided to take my time and earn my ratings at a small part 61 school. I did my private with them and I had alot of fun doing it (I intend to do the same with my inst/com etc).
 
Maurus said:
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Funny thing is they called me lazy when I was at the school 7 days a week 9AM-11PM to get them done and they would show up late and not study the night before.
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Ok, I've got to ask.

What were you billing for this? Hopefully 500-600/day+?

I tell my students, I'll work just as hard as you to accomplish this course but not harder. If they don't want to apply themselves or study it is there problem. I used to teach ground schools and accelerated courses to students that came to the US for a vacation. They showed up drunk/hung over every night. A few times I just walked out of the classroom I was so frusterated.
 
Codyjp said:
I tell my students, I'll work just as hard as you to accomplish this course but not harder. If they don't want to apply themselves or study it is there problem.
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I agree. I already have my ratings. I'm not going to bust my butt trying to each some clown who isn't interested in learning the material.

On the other hand, if the student is motivated, and wants to learn, I'll build my whole schedule around him or her.
 
ComplexHiAv8r said:
Aren't you doing one right now???? :rolleyes:
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You mean an aircraft breaking during good weather and being available during bad is an accelerated course? I wouldn't exactly say getting an MEI is hard. The key it to learn how not to kill yourself and your student. I am mainly trying to build my 15 PIC I need but right now that doesn't look good. Rain till Wednesday sucks. 3.4 down 9.6 multi to go.
 
Maurus said:
You mean an aircraft breaking during good weather and being available during bad is an accelerated course? I wouldn't exactly say getting an MEI is hard. The key it to learn how not to kill yourself and your student. I am mainly trying to build my 15 PIC I need but right now that doesn't look good. Rain till Wednesday sucks. 3.4 down 9.6 multi to go.
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Well at least you flew. I'm still at 1.8, and that was in 2008 :cwm27:
 
Pilot mills have their place, but I am highly doubtful many students get signed off at the FAA min times. I signed off a pt 61 IFR student after only 6 lessons and about 20 hours of training. He was motivated, came prepared everyday and flew with a safety pilot when he could. When I worked in an accelerated course, I had trouble keeping students in line. They lacked focus, and weren't serious about training. They just kept spending and spending until 80 or so hours later, they were finally good enough to get a rating.

It's discouraging and after a while you begin second-guessing your own ability to teach.
 
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