ABX is on STRIKE

No matter how this goes, this is a big hit for ABX (who has to report to DHL as to why they couldn't perform), and DHL as well. DHL created this "regional whipsaw" type culture and are getting what they deserve. Even if they have to pay a fine or something, this is a win for the pilot group.
 
drunkenbeagle said:
Take a look at the decision @jtrain609 posted. Somewhat relevant to that scenario, a union not being in control of its members. I suspect the union's first priority is protecting itself in court.
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Makes sense. But how does that translate for the line pilot. According to one union, the ATI guys "crossed" and would be considered scabs. According to another union (their own), the ATI guys did no such thing as there's no actual legitimate strike recognized, so their own people aren't scabs.

Like gotWXagain mentioned, does a guy work and risk being labeled a scab by a union that isn't even his own, when his own has no issue? Or does he not go to work and risk company action for failing to report to work, and no union protection due to their being no legitimate reason (in their view) to have done so?
 
BobDDuck said:
Time (and the Judiciary) will tell.

It ISN'T a legal strike under the Section 6 process of the RLA. It could be legal under a different section of law though.
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Didn't Allegiant attempt to strike under the same pretenses last year "status quo", and a judge shot it down?
 
MikeD said:
Didn't Allegiant attempt to strike under the same pretenses last year "status quo", and a judge shot it down?
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This isn't under the pretense of section 6 negotiations. This is management unilaterally ignoring the terms of the contract directly affecting vacations, days off, extensions and override pay.

250 pilots were extended 8000 times year to date.
 
Polar742 said:
This isn't under the pretense of section 6 negotiations. This is management unilaterally ignoring the terms of the contract directly affecting vacations, days off, extensions and override pay.

250 pilots were extended 8000 times year to date.
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One would think that would make this a legit strike. Wonder why it's not being recognized as such by ALPA? And the resultant pickle that seemingly places their pilots into.
 
MikeD said:
One would think that would make this a legit strike. Wonder why it's not being recognized as such by ALPA? And the resultant pickle that seemingly places their pilots into.
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Because until now, no one thought of it. The typical sequence is negotiation, mediation, arbitration, cooling off, strike. I'd never heard of a "status quo" violation until this thread..
 
Flying Saluki said:
Because until now, no one thought of it. The typical sequence is negotiation, mediation, arbitration, cooling off, strike. I'd never heard of a "status quo" violation until this thread..
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Well, if it's getting people to start throwing scab titles around, then something needs to be done to square that away forthwith, as thats a pretty serious charge to be levying on anyone, when the basis for it isn't cut and dried.

For every IBT person calling ATI pilots scabs for working; I would bet an equal amount of ATI pilots are saying "...wait a darn minute there on the scab talk. I'm doing what my union, ALPA, has advised us, based on their interpertation of what's going on at ABX. If you have a problem with that, take it up with them..."

Kind of a sucky situation.
 
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Update from ALPA...

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November 23, 2016

Early Tuesday morning, the pilots in service of ABX Air, represented by the International Brotherhood of Teamsters (IBT) Local 1224, commenced a strike over several contract violations regarding staffing and overtime issues. The company challenged the strike and requested a federal court to immediately end the work stoppage. After court proceedings yesterday and today, a federal district judge in Cincinnati, Ohio late this afternoon granted a temporary restraining order (TRO), enjoining the strike. The court ruled that the disputes concern grievances that are subject to arbitration under the ABX pilot agreement, and cannot be the basis for a lawful strike under the RLA. The court's order states that the union "and its members are prohibited from authorizing, causing, engaging in, sanctioning, or assisting in any work stoppage or strike of ABX's operations. The strike shall cease immediately upon the docketing of this Order." We have received reports that the IBT, in light of the TRO, has withdrawn its pickets and ceased the strike.

Although the court found the strike to be impermissible under the RLA, ALPA supports the ABX pilots in their battle for fair treatment by a very difficult management. ABX is owned by the same corporation that owns ATI, an ALPA carrier. ATI pilots did not fly struck work during this strike.

ATI pilots flew the operations that they are contractually required to perform. They work under a no-strike letter of agreement negotiated by ALPA's predecessor union – the IBT – that requires that they do this work.

This situation was further complicated by the fact that the Teamsters recently filed a single carrier petition, which, if granted, could decertify ALPA as the representative of ATI pilots, even though these same pilots voted overwhelmingly to join ALPA and decertify IBT just a few years ago. ALPA will be opposing this petition. In addition, the IBT's demands to ABX at the negotiating table would likely result in the shutdown of ATI.

Please assist any ABX pilot who may need your help in getting back to his or her base. If you encounter any ABX pilots seeking jumpseats, please do your best to accommodate them.
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ALPA's message yesterday stated in quite clear language that the ATI pilots who flew out of CVG were not scabs and flying in accordance with their contract and their labor representation.
 
So all the ALPA guys at pax carriers that think they can play jumpseat shenanigans with ATI pilots will find themselves getting grievances pretty quickly?
 
gotWXdagain said:
So all the ALPA guys at pax carriers that think they can play jumpseat shenanigans with ATI pilots will find themselves getting grievances pretty quickly?
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I imagine if they try to, yes.

But fellow ALPA people on the pax side, should've gotten the same Fastread that Mark posted that everyone in ALPA should've seen regarding the ATI pilots, and clearing up their situation.

Now, whether IBT-represented carriers try to pull something........
 
MikeD said:
I imagine if they try to, yes.

But fellow ALPA people on the pax side, should've gotten the same Fastread that Mark posted that everyone in ALPA should've seen regarding the ATI pilots, and clearing up their situation.

Now, whether IBT-represented carriers try to pull something........
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Nope, isn't happening. We got similar language sent to us.
 
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