Baronman
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Ok let's say Mesa is on strike and they're at IAH picketing. Would United pilots be crossing a picket line to go to work that day? Let's say a United 737 driver flying IAH to LAX.
ABX is on STRIKE
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Ok let's say Mesa is on strike and they're at IAH picketing. Would United pilots be crossing a picket line to go to work that day? Let's say a United 737 driver flying IAH to LAX.
E_Dawg
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CatchyScreenName
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I don't think you are getting what is being asked. I would ask the same thing.
I believe what is trying to be asked (and I wonder the same thing) would someone who works for XJet who is based in IAH "crossing the line" by just going to work and doing their normal every day job if Mesa was picketing at IAH ?
I think we all understand that if XJet started picking up the flights that Mesa wasn't doing that is bad, very bad.
E_Dawg
Moderator
I honestly don't know where all these hypotheticals are coming from. Keep in mind ABX is not just picketing, they are on strike.
Baronman
Well-Known Member
Because the way you make it sound, any plane that leaves CVG today and has cargo aboard is no good. I know it's a touchy subject, but it's not as cut and dry as you make it.
KLB
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It's a pretty slippery slope if you think about it. DHL could slip a few cans on Atlas intended for a destination that ABX would have flown. Then the few cans could be trucked from the Atlas destination to the ABX destination. Technically, that's flying struck work.
E_Dawg
Moderator
Didn't know you are the authority on the subject. I would rather just try to keep it simple. Go to work and see a picket line full of striking pilots? = Don't go to work.
CatchyScreenName
Well-Known Member
I don't know what any body else's motivations are. I have never worked for a union shop and am starting at a 121 union job very soon. I'm just trying to understand by asking a simple question. That is all.
Baronman
Well-Known Member
I'm not an authority but this sentence right here shows your lack of familiarity with the subject. And to be clear, I'd never fly struck work.
Boris Badenov
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Call the hotline if you have a question.
937-382-0201.
937-382-0201.
BobDDuck
Island Bus Driver
I'm thinking you don't fully understand the concept. In most cases, in scheduled 121 passenger flying, as long as you aren't flying the routes/flights that the striking carrier was operating, you aren't crossing a line. Sympathy strikes genera don't happen under the RLA.
In the case of ABX they are striking specific facilities (CVG and Wilmington) so any operations out of those ramps would be considered crossing the line.
That said, as of now, ATI (ALPA) is considering this an informational picket only as there was no release by the NMB and the strike is about perceived status quo violations and as such is operating flights out of those ramps. No idea how long that viewpoint will last.
z987k
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If you think you're being asked to fly something struck, there is plenty of guidance. For example, IBT set up a hotline that ANYONE can call if they think they might be asked to fly struck work.
In fact - 800-294-1224x9100
In fact - 800-294-1224x9100
CatchyScreenName
Well-Known Member
Thank you for clearing that up for the uninformed.
Polar742
All the responsibility none of the authority
*** UPDATE FOR DAY 2 OF ABX STRIKE ***
Our union's legal team emerged from the Ohio Circuit Court, Southern District after a hearing brought by the company’s attempt to get a temporary restraining order (TRO). The judge did not enjoin the union.
Our legal team instructed the Judge that he could not issue such an order in this situation, at least until he held a full evidentiary hearing. The Judge has scheduled that hearing for tomorrow afternoon. As a result the ABX pilots will remain on strike and picket lines will remain up around CVG and ILN until at least that time, unless the status quo is reestablished before.
Our union's legal team emerged from the Ohio Circuit Court, Southern District after a hearing brought by the company’s attempt to get a temporary restraining order (TRO). The judge did not enjoin the union.
Our legal team instructed the Judge that he could not issue such an order in this situation, at least until he held a full evidentiary hearing. The Judge has scheduled that hearing for tomorrow afternoon. As a result the ABX pilots will remain on strike and picket lines will remain up around CVG and ILN until at least that time, unless the status quo is reestablished before.
Polar742
All the responsibility none of the authority
It is exactly cut and dry.
If you fly a cargo airplane full of DHL freight into CVG, and park on the DHL ramp and unload; no problem.
If you then take the airplane out, then you have chosen to work on a struck property.
Example - were one to fly DHL freight SFO - SEA, download and upload and fly back to SFO, no problem.
If you are a people hauler and they upload DHL freight, no problem.
ABX pilots are striking ABX, not DHL
They were who my 135 freight carrier flew primarily for back in the 90s. Their crews had the light-grey colored unifoms, as I remember. Used to get their DC-8s and 767s into PHX all the time.
The last of their DC-9s still in storage here at MZJ, have just been towed over to the scrapping ramp to be finally torn apart.