Nigel Croker
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AAL331 Off Runway in Jamaica - No Fatalities
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Trip7
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Major pilots sure know how to take the attention off the regional guys. Thats 2 incidents/accidents for AA in the past two weeks. Scraped a wing the other day in Charlotte causing significant damage. Hope the 737 wasn't one of their new ones.
I believe this crash will be the result of pilot error and surely fatigue will play a huge factor along with the weather. Fatigue counter measures are what we should be focused on but we got pilots and congressmen screaming at each other over a pretty useless(when it comes to safety) 1500 hr rule.
I believe this crash will be the result of pilot error and surely fatigue will play a huge factor along with the weather. Fatigue counter measures are what we should be focused on but we got pilots and congressmen screaming at each other over a pretty useless(when it comes to safety) 1500 hr rule.
JumpWake
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A300Capt
Freight Dawg
Major pilots sure know how to take the attention off the regional guys. QUOTE]
That's called the 4th law of Thermo-dynamics: When the heats on someone else it's off of you!
Nigel Croker
Well-Known Member
Well put, I havnt always agree'd with every post you've made, but this one was needed. I am glad to still see there are Major, Regional, and Corporate pilots who still value professionalism over petty differances
jhugz
Well-Known Member
Why is it that every crash has to be analyzed in terms of pilot fatigue or the 1500 rule to try and tip scales in an argument? They could very well both be factors like in 3407 or neither could be. We don't know what the fatigue of the pilots are so let us wait and see. Both are important issues and both should be dealt with not one or the other.
FlyChicaga
Vintage Restoration
I agree. I think it's good to note the difference in how the various accidents are analyzed, however. From a general public viewpoint, accidents by experienced pilots (i.e. major airline pilots) beget questions like, "what were the weather conditions? Were they tired? Were they distracted?", yet accidents by relatively inexperienced pilots starts bringing questions like, "should they have been in the cockpit? Did they have enough hours to be there? Were they too young?"
Because of this apparent dividing line between the "pros" and the "minors" of the airlines, many groups look at this accidents with a biased viewpoint. That coupled with the "blame game," we're not learning much from these accidents, but just finding a new group to point fingers at.
There isn't much difference between the Dash-8-400, the EMB-145, or the B757... All are airplanes, with glass cockpits, with two pilots up front. The only difference is how many people are in the back... Because often the differences between flight hours and age of the pilots is not as different as we'd believe.
deadstick
Well-Known Member
That's called the 4th law of Thermo-dynamics: When the heats on someone else it's off of you!
Now THAT is funny. :rotfl:
Murdoughnut
Well sized member
I dare not post the photo here, but they also have a picture of what appears to be the captain pushing a passenger in a wheelchair. Poor bastard is about go through hell, no doubt.
ILSstud
Well-Known Member
Glad everyone is ok! Practically speaking, and I have always wondered this, in an incident like this (as with the USAirways plane in the Hudson) do people get their luggage back? Or personal belongings that were left in the cabin (or should have been) during the evac? For the record though, glad everyone is ok...hope the pilots don't get fried by the news media!
subpilot
Squawking 7600
Only 22 post before this came up. I knew someone here would make the "major vs. minor" post eventually but we don't even have any facts on what happened yet. Lets not drag our politics into a pretty major accident before we know what or why ths happened. For all we know, the reversers or brakes could have failed??? I am just thankful that there were no fatalities.
greaper007
Well-Known Member
Does anyone know what the actual weather conditions were like at the time? Not just "raining."
The Colgan flight and this AA flight are two different things. I am going to go out on a limb, all by myself and disagree with the 1500 hr rule, many ace pilots with thousands of hours have had brain farts and cause accidents. We may think we are super humans and every accident/incident are cause by weaker individuals. We are humans who are trained to handle adverse conditions, but we are all humans. The biggest airline accident was in Tenerife, and the man in the cockpit, was KLM ace pilot. Wether 500 hrs or 5000 hrs, things can happen we can get complacent and accidents happen.
OldTownPilot
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I read that with the hudson accident, the location of all the bags was noted, then they were dried out and weighed to get an actual W&B of the airplane, then returned to the passengers about a month later. I assume the same thing will be true here.
SmoothLanderJ
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Thats true, and I agree with that. But there SURE is (was) a lot of Regional bashing (about hours and experience) going on recently. I also agree that we should find out the facts before pointing the finger. My question is, if this were a regional incident, would everyone have the same attitude? I doubt it personally. Everyone would be up in arms over how much time and experience they had.
SmoothLanderJ
Well-Known Member
Yes, they get their stuff back. It takes a while, as the entire scene needs to be thoroughly examined, but passenger's & crew's personal items are returned.
