AA/US-AW. Now the fun begins.

Kingairer said:
Yeah the good ole supplement W or Whatever. Never step foot in a mainline class room or day 1, expect to get years of seniority. But even outside of those, there are flows who didn't have numbers, made it into class in late 2013, who are mixed in with 2010-2013 LUS Hires. (on their dream list)
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It was Letter 3, and the reason they expect to get years of seniority is because they deserve it. They were bypassed and Jr pilots on the seniority list to them got recalled(TWA pilots that were furloughed when AA and TWA merged) AMR claimed the Eagle guys were new hires and only the TWA guys were recalls even though neither had ever flown for AA, an arbitrator disagreed with them.
 
Kingairer said:
Yeah the good ole supplement W or Whatever. Never step foot in a mainline class room or day 1, expect to get years of seniority. But even outside of those, there are flows who didn't have numbers, made it into class in late 2013, who are mixed in with 2010-2013 LUS Hires. (on their dream list)
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The W letter doesn't piss me off too much if they got bypassed and we're given a number, but the flows without numbers would. But I was told that wasn't the case at all....
 
No, im saying there are "non" numbered flows who flowed prior to dec 9 who are on there slotted in with years earlier USAir hires. It is what it is, it's not unprecedented and it's their dream list. Where to put furloughees is the bigger and more important question.
 
Eagles situation is complicated and I think there's confusion over the details. Relax though. Historically (Coex) guys were slotted at the bottom. Also, no eagle guys who aren't at the company as of 12/9/13 go at the bottom when the get hired. They're old too :)
 
Kingairer said:
No, im saying there are "non" numbered flows who flowed prior to dec 9 who are on there slotted in with years earlier USAir hires. It is what it is, it's not unprecedented and it's their dream list. Where to put furloughees is the bigger and more important question.
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Ok I'm not worried about that then. As @AAPalmTree said there is a lot of confusion. That's just them trying to put the bottom guys on their list above the guys on the bottom of our list (you and I). So in reality it seems like eagle flows don't pose any threat in terms of getting longevity credit from their eagle hire date.
 
L-16B said:
Ok I'm not worried about that then. As @AAPalmTree said there is a lot of confusion. That's just them trying to put the bottom guys on their list above the guys on the bottom of our list (you and I). So in reality it seems like eagle flows don't pose any threat in terms of getting longevity credit from their eagle hire date.
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The Usapa and AWA lists have many of us almost a thousand numbers higher. I expect the bottom part of the list to look like the Usapa/AWA lists and the top part of the list like the APA list.
 
skyw82 said:
The Usapa and AWA lists have many of us almost a thousand numbers higher. I expect the bottom part of the list to look like the Usapa/AWA lists and the top part of the list like the APA list.
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While I of course hope that happens for us, the reality is we were hired onto the bottom of the list. Moving the date to dec 9 probably helps us in the usapa/away scenario.
 
L-16B said:
While I of course hope that happens for us, the reality is we were hired onto the bottom of the list. Moving the date to dec 9 probably helps us in the usapa/away scenario.
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Well when you're at 85% do you really deserve to be slotted in with someone who was 98%? This is why I don't think the APA list will past the smell test. People that were hired weeks before the dec 9 date were junior reserve, in the junior base, on the junior airplane. They are being slotted in with people who were line holders in pretty much all bases and all a/c.
 
skyw82 said:
Well when you're at 85% do you really deserve to be slotted in with someone who was 98%? This is why I don't think the APA list will past the smell test. People that were hired weeks before the dec 9 date were junior reserve, in the junior base, on the junior airplane. They are being slotted in with people who were line holders in pretty much all bases and all a/c.
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Not at all, and not disagreeing with you. But I think people were scared of the eagle flows for the wrong reason. Some people still think they kept their seniority from Eagle hire for sli purposes or that apa was trying for it. Outside the letter T/W or Whatever it is.
 
L-16B said:
Not at all, and not disagreeing with you. But I think people were scared of the eagle flows for the wrong reason. Some people still think they kept their seniority from Eagle hire for sli purposes or that apa was trying for it. Outside the letter T/W or Whatever it is.
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The way I understand the eagle flow issue is that there are some who got numbers in the 90s but never got a class date, they are mixed in with furloughs as they had the same seniority dates. The issue are the non-numbered eagle flows, those are the ones most third listers are being slotted in with. They were in the AA classes that started just prior to the first off the street hires.
 
Buddy hired a year prior to me went from 300#'s to 1500#'s above me on the US and AW lists. Not even sure how that is possible, AA didn't hire but a handful between him and I from what I could tell, certainly not 1000. They are slotting with 98-99-00 hires. The only saving grace is the last 1/3 of our careers we can catch up, as they will all retire.

Basically anyone hired on the US side just prior to the merger won the lottery. IMO.
 
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In AAs proposal those same people lose numbers, And arbitrators will probably come up with their own ideas.
 
wheelsup said:
Buddy hired a year prior to me went from 300#'s to 1500#'s above me on the US and AW lists. Not even sure how that is possible, AA didn't hire but a handful between him and I from what I could tell, certainly not 1000. They are slotting with 98-99-00 hires. The only saving grace is the last 1/3 of our careers we can catch up, as they will all retire.

Basically anyone hired on the US side just prior to the merger won the lottery. IMO.
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It's just a proposal. I doubt pre dec 9th people will end up with that much of a jump up the list.
 
wheelsup said:
Buddy hired a year prior to me went from 300#'s to 1500#'s above me on the US and AW lists. Not even sure how that is possible, AA didn't hire but a handful between him and I from what I could tell, certainly not 1000. They are slotting with 98-99-00 hires. The only saving grace is the last 1/3 of our careers we can catch up, as they will all retire.

Basically anyone hired on the US side just prior to the merger won the lottery. IMO.
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Additional, if you are post dec9, you are going to have the same number of people ahead of you. Your friend will be senior to you whether he's 1 number or 1000 numbers. Root for the home team, we'll need it against the swing liners.
 
Kingairer said:
Additional, if you are post dec9, you are going to have the same number of people ahead of you. Your friend will be senior to you whether he's 1 number or 1000 numbers. Root for the home team, we'll need it against the swing liners.
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Honestly, with them making such a fuss about seniority for the jumpseat, I would laugh if the senior LAA guys get shafted in th integration.
 
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