AA/US-AW. Now the fun begins.

L-16B said:
Yeah CLT was a 50/50 split between long and short but not anymore. It's like clockwork though for me, I usually do a 3 day redeye a week, ocasionally add in an all nighter. I've still yet to need a hotel room in my 4 months of doing it, so I'm happy. There's a lot more to pick from in CLT than PHL, I've been watching the bid sheet.

I turned an 11 day redeye block into a 14 days off and 3 weekends off 80 hour credit for august. I'm no expert with SAP, though so I'm sure I could have done better. Doesn't seem like there is much open time in PHL to bid sheet out of.
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There were 120 reserves in PHL in December there was less than 60 last month IIRC...even accounting for the increase in shorts the total amount is down 50%...

One red-eye a week isn't bad, if I was doing that on reserve I might go back.
 
Never understood why this is so difficult. DOH, but everyone maintains their existing base, equipment, and seat. What you had before, you have after. Going forward you're subject to God's good humor.

Now here's where someone will bring up "career expectations." All I can say is that the future is promised to nobody.
 
Flying Saluki said:
Never understood why this is so difficult. DOH, but everyone maintains their existing base, equipment, and seat. What you had before, you have after. Going forward you're subject to God's good humor. Now here's where someone will bring up "career expectations." All I can say is that the future is promised to nobody.
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I'm betting you don't have much seniority.
 
Flying Saluki said:
Never understood why this is so difficult. DOH, but everyone maintains their existing base, equipment, and seat. What you had before, you have after. Going forward you're subject to God's good humor.

Now here's where someone will bring up "career expectations." All I can say is that the future is promised to nobody.
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What if you work for a company that has only existed for 15 years, and you are bought by a legacy? You might as well get the stapler out, because that's the net result. What about the guy who was one month from upgrade before the merger, and now he is at the bottom of the stack? Or the guy who took the first upgrade on a small narrow body, and was seat locked at the time of the merger, but after the merger he is so junior that he can't hold captain on any other equipment. Yeah, he is still a captain on his narrow body, but he will be stuck there until the end of time.

DOH might be reasonable if both airlines are the same age and were hiring equally for the past 20 years. Barring that, it isn't the only factor that should be considered.
 
Flying Saluki said:
Never understood why this is so difficult. DOH, but everyone maintains their existing base, equipment, and seat. What you had before, you have after. Going forward you're subject to God's good humor.

Now here's where someone will bring up "career expectations." All I can say is that the future is promised to nobody.
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Because Longevity does not necessarily equal Seniority.
 
PhilosopherPilot said:
What if you work for a company has only existed for 15 years, and you are bought by a legacy? You might as well get the stapler out, because that's the net result. What about the guy who was one month from upgrade before the merger, and now he is at the bottom of the stack? Or the guy who took the first upgrade on a small narrow body, and was seat locked at the time of the merger, but after the merger he is so junior that he can't hold captain on any other equipment. Yeah, he is still a captain on his narrow body, but he will be stuck there until the end of time.

DOH might be reasonable if both airlines are the same age and were hiring equally for the past 20 years. Barring that, it isn't the only factor that should be considered.
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That's why I put in the proviso that everyone maintains their current status throughout the integration. If you're an ORD based 737 Captain before; you're still an ORD based 737 Captain after. Nothing is lost. You had exactly what you had before. If you were in the right seat before, you're in the right seat after. If you get "stuck" there, well, that's life in the big city. Make other plans. As I said, the future is promised to nobody. Ask the pilots who were in new hire class on 9/10/01 about their career expectations.
 
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That's why I put in the proviso that everyone maintains their current status throughout the integration. If you're an ORD based 737 Captain before; you're still an ORD based 737 Captain after. Nothing is lost. You had exactly what you had before. If you were in the right seat before, you're in the right seat after. If you get "stuck" there, well, that's life in the big city. Make other plans. As I said, the future is promised to nobody. Ask the pilots who were in new hire class on 9/10/01 about their career expectations.
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Nice how people with no seniority are always so eager to give away the seniority that others have earned.
 
Flying Saluki said:
That's why I put in the proviso that everyone maintains their current status throughout the integration. If you're an ORD based 737 Captain before; you're still an ORD based 737 Captain after. Nothing is lost. You had exactly what you had before. If you were in the right seat before, you're in the right seat after. If you get "stuck" there, well, that's life in the big city. Make other plans. As I said, the future is promised to nobody. Ask the pilots who were in new hire class on 9/10/01 about their career expectations.
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A Virgin America A320 Captain hired in 2007 is senior and holds good schedules, vacation, etc. Your method would put them at a disadvantage with a merger with just about every other airline out there simply because Virgin started flying in 2007 and the most senior pilot has a 2006 DOH. So what kind of schedule/vacation can a 2007 DOH Captain hold at Delta? United? American? I don't think there are 2007 A320 Captains at any of those airlines, which means these CAs would essentially be stapled to the Captain side list.

And besides, status and no flush only applies for integration. What happens when the new merged company *inevitably* closes a major base? Then it's straight seniority and all of these 2007 guys would not only lose their base, but very likely their left seat as well in the ensuing displacements.
 
What's kinda sad is my DOH would be enough for a CA seat at JetBlue, Allegiant, Spirit, and Frontier. But at VX, I'm only nearly half way up the FO list.
 
Cherokee_Cruiser said:
What's kinda sad is my DOH would be enough for a CA seat at JetBlue, Allegiant, Spirit, and Frontier. But at VX, I'm only nearly half way up the FO list.
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Why is that sad? You knew the seniority list and upgrade time when you were hired there right??
 
SmoothLanderJ said:
Why is that sad? You knew the seniority list and upgrade time when you were hired there right??
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Yup. You know what happened here, right?

"January 17, 2011 – Virgin America today announces a firm order for 60 new Airbus A320 aircraft to be delivered starting in 2013, including 30 of the A320neo aircraft – the first commercial order for the new eco-efficient engine option."

We were the launch customer in North America for the A320NEO for the first delivery in 2016........ 60 Airbuses (Airbii?) to come 2013-2019.

One year after that announcement, I was hired Jan 2012.


Just 9 months after being hired......

Nov 2012:
"The carrier will now take 10 Airbus A320 planes, down from its original order for 30, in 2015 and 2016, according to a statement today. Deliveries of 30 upgraded A320neo-model jets will be pushed to 2020 through 2022 from a range of 2016 through 2019."


So in a nutshell 60 planes from 2013-2019 then became 40 planes, only 10 of which are 2015-2016 and the other 30 (the NEOs) in 2020-2022. We lost our position as the launch customer with this deferral.

Obvious stagnation ensued and the rest is history. Most junior CA now is a June/July 2010 DOH. With 10 airplanes from now until next year, we should see a little bit of upgrading and some hiring. But then nothing more is scheduled until 2020-2022.

We were supposed to have a growth plan almost as aggressive as Spirit, and since 2011 they've had a 2.5 yr upgrade as a result of taking 7-10 planes per year.



It's the luck of the draw my friend. You just roll the dice and the dominoes will fall where they will and you can't do much about it.
 
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Cherokee_Cruiser said:
It's the luck of the draw my friend. You just roll the dice and the dominoes will fall where they will and you can't do much about it.
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I'm sorry gents, and yes @ATN_Pilot I'm extremely junior. Like single digits from the bottom of the list.
With that said, no one forced a gun to my head to come here.

No one forced a gun to anyone's head at Air Tran, Northwest, America West...

You make your bed, you lie in it. Some people win the career lottery, some people get a poop sandwich.

DOH is the only true, unbiased way to intergrate a seniority list.
 
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