AA & Jet Blue have to give back friendship bracelets, can't be BFF's anymore

ZapBrannigan said:
Well, that’s one less obstacle to the Spirit merger. I’d say the dissolution of the American partnership makes Spirit much more likely to be approved.
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RH isn’t a chump, despite being absolutely not my favorite guy either. Kinda brilliant to have American keep them afloat through the pandemic.
 
Not gonna lie, I'm going to miss the reciprocal AA bennies when flying JetBlue but this was a given if they want to merge with Spirit.
 
Guys it’s important to keep DL and United strong and consolidate their positions in the #1 US market which this will likely accomplish. “But government is PROTECTING CONSUMERS!!” Let’s watch it play out.
 
chrisreedrules said:
Bummer for both, but I think it was bound to happen. Now AA will likely lose market share and so will JetBlue.
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AA pilots Never wanted this….it means flying comes back to JFK for AA but will have to find a way to get the 190 flying they were using from jetblue to connect the smaller legs.

As for market share…who knows

The AiP coming the same day is suspicious
 
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CFIT99 said:
The AiP coming the same day is suspicious
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Ok so coming from a perspective of complete ignorance when it comes to business decisions and big picture stuff.. what exactly is the suspicion. I’ve seen a number of similar comments but I don’t understand the potential implications.
 
poser765 said:
Ok so coming from a perspective of complete ignorance when it comes to business decisions and big picture stuff.. what exactly is the suspicion. I’ve seen a number of similar comments but I don’t understand the potential implications.
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That one had influence over the other getting done…the company saw this coming and decided to get the AiP needed to get announced today….actual ramifications? None.

Or it just was total coincidence that was the same day
 
CFIT99 said:
AA pilots Never wanted this….it means flying comes back to JFK for AA but will have to find a way to get the 190 flying they were using from jetblue to connect the smaller legs.

As for market share…who knows

The AiP coming the same day is suspicious
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AA doesn’t have the slots to bring back the flying. They were given away unless they can get them back. Widebody flying out of JFK is hosed. I hope I’m wrong.


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CFIT99 said:
AA pilots Never wanted this….it means flying comes back to JFK for AA but will have to find a way to get the 190 flying they were using from jetblue to connect the smaller legs.

As for market share…who knows

The AiP coming the same day is suspicious
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Well the whole reason for the partnership was strategic in nature. AA’s regionals are continuing to shrink and it can not absorb that flying at the mainline in the same way that Delta and United have done/are doing. Of the 3 legacies, AA is the most revenue-dependent on it’s regional partners. So this was just simply a way to continue funneling passengers to AA airplanes in a market that AA has traditionally struggled in. This going away from I’ll make it even tougher for AA.

As for JetBlue they had absolutely nothing to lose by participating in the NEA. AA pilots may not have wanted the NEA, but the alternative for American was lose market share.
 
chrisreedrules said:
Well the whole reason for the partnership was strategic in nature. AA’s regionals are continuing to shrink and it can not absorb that flying at the mainline in the same way that Delta and United have done/are doing. Of the 3 legacies, AA is the most revenue-dependent on it’s regional partners. So this was just simply a way to continue funneling passengers to AA airplanes in a market that AA has traditionally struggled in. This going away from I’ll make it even tougher for AA.

As for JetBlue they had absolutely nothing to lose by participating in the NEA. AA pilots may not have wanted the NEA, but the alternative for American was lose market share.
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We’ll I disagree with almost everything said here except that AA has a regional dependent issue and shrinking FFD flying (which is a good thing) issue. It’s part of the game when you have that large of a domestic footprint.

Im not sure if it was cheaper to use B6 in those markets than struggle to use AA WO’ed labor, jetblue would have lost a lot on the deal in a move to try and sell the merger with spirit. It was a way of AA management to circumnavigate labor contracts.

I know you have a hard on for bashing anything that was your AA regional world and I bet if I did an APC search this statement would be supported.
 
saxman said:
AA doesn’t have the slots to bring back the flying. They were given away unless they can get them back. Widebody flying out of JFK is hosed. I hope I’m wrong.


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I thought the NEA allowed B6 to use them from AA, (not give them away) which was a big issue with the judge. The slots were to support the WB flying

I’m not too sure on this though
 
CFIT99 said:
We’ll I disagree with almost everything said here except that AA has a regional dependent issue and shrinking FFD flying (which is a good thing) issue. It’s part of the game when you have that large of a domestic footprint.

Im not sure if it was cheaper to use B6 in those markets than struggle to use AA WO’ed labor, jetblue would have lost a lot on the deal in a move to try and sell the merger with spirit. It was a way of AA management to circumnavigate labor contracts.

I know you have a hard on for bashing anything that was your AA regional world and I bet if I did an APC search this statement would be supported.
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Given my former ALPA positions both local and at National and my discussions with APA and AA management I have/had a little more insight than the average pilot. Or even the average ALPA volunteer.

If you’d like to discuss in PM that’s fine, but I said what I said and I meant it truthfully. Disagree if you want. Doesn’t change reality.

I have nothing against AA’s pilot group. I have a bunch of friends over there that I talk to every single day. I despise APA, their lack of foresight, and their unwillingness to lead. And I dislike your management. AA is a company full of middle managers that are genuinely not nice people. And upper management is more detached/aloof than that of other airlines. The whole circus should be a case study on how not to run a business. The only reason that place experiences mild success is sheer operational momentum.
 
chrisreedrules said:
Given my former ALPA positions both local and at National and my discussions with APA and AA management I have/had a little more insight than the average pilot. Or even the average ALPA volunteer.

If you’d like to discuss in PM that’s fine, but I said what I said and I meant it truthfully. Disagree if you want. Doesn’t change reality.

I have nothing against AA’s pilot group. I have a bunch of friends over there that I talk to every single day. I despise APA, their lack of foresight, and their unwillingness to lead. And I dislike your management. AA is a company full of middle managers that are genuinely not nice people. And upper management is more detached/aloof than that of other airlines. The whole circus should be a case study on how not to run a business. The only reason that place experiences mild success is sheer operational momentum.
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nope, don't care about your prior titles or positions. It's not the flex that you think it is. Based on your prior posts (here and APC) you know everything there is, so enjoy.

As for the last comment...I don't disagree (as most management is) but don't copy and paste something unoriginal.
 
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