AA Exec's vs PBGC/ALPA/APFA/TWU

ScorpionStinger

Well-Known Member
Wow, I had no idea what PBGC was, now I do. Has anyone seen these videos?

I'm persuaded after watching these videos! I see now why these Union groups are signing up with U.S. Airway's bid for a takeover! Wow, I had no idea this occurred. Never heard these details from A4A's SmartBrief.












P.s. some of these videos were made in 2009 well before the recent bankruptcy filing... Now they want the Unions to give up more???? Smh... I'm almost upset.
 
I watched just a few seconds of the videos, and each seemed to be more interested in telling one side of a story instead of reporting all of the facts. That said, here's what the PBGC does:

The PBGC (Pension Benefits Guaranty Corporation) are to pension plans what the FDIC (Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation) is to bank deposits. You may remember the tag line at the end of bank commercials, "Member FDIC," meaning that your deposits were insured by a government entity in the event the bank went belly up.

Defined benefits pension plans are what we think of as the classic pension plan people receive after they retire. It's a guaranteed $___ per month for life, and many times a surviving spouse will receive those benefits upon the retiree's death. During employment, employee and employer each contribute to the worker's account. All plans for an employer are managed by an administrator - sometimes a trust company, investment company, actuary, or even an accountant in small instances. They cannot be the plan sponsor (employer) - they are supposed to be an independent fiduciary.

The PBGC oversees these plans, and require sponsors to pay annual premiums to the PBGC that insure the underlying retirement accounts. Joining them in oversight is the IRS and US Department of Labor. All wield big sticks. My company - founded by my grandfather - had such a plan, and those three agencies would threaten me under pain of death if our plan was underfunded. It never was.

What is that - "underfunded?" When assets in the plan do not equal or exceed the plan's liabilities, accounting for a reasonable rate of return. In my case they never did - we were overfunded. In AMR's case, the plan is grossly underfunded, and they have been under pressure for years to make up the deficiency. If they didn't, and went into bankruptcy with an underfunded plan, the PBGC would have to make up the shortfall to retirees, but never all of the shortfall. That is what you see today. Many cities and states also have defined benefits pension plans, and many are underfunded. How do officials get away with that? They tell PBGC auditors that they expect an annual plan ROI of __% which will support the underlying liability. Unfortunately, the ROI is always greater than anyone has ever achieved in history, including Warren Buffet. They're whistling past the graveyard, but by the time the train wreck occurs (plan payments to retirees exceeds plan income and it collapses), the officials have moved on.

Back to AMR - their plan is underfunded, they asked Congress for a temporary moratorium on plan contributions during recent difficult times (in the past couple of years - I'm not exactly sure when), and that was granted on the condition that the suspended contributions be made up. They never made up the shortfall and went into bankruptcy. Because AMR and pension administrators lied to Congress and the PBGC is why neither is sympathetic to their plight.
 
The other issue here is when you compare the financial condition of AA to the other airlines that went bankrupt. AA filed bankruptcy with 4.1 billion dollars in the bank.

When US filed, they had $500 million in the bank, but they owed the government more than that from the 9/11 Airline Industry Bailout. So there was no question that US and the others simply didn't have the money to fund the pension funds when they filed bankruptcy.

In this case, AA has (had) up to 4.1 billion that could be used to help fund those pensions. The problem is that they do not want to spend it on the pensions. Unfortunately they do not have an option and the PBGC is on it.

Joe
 
They never made up the shortfall and went into bankruptcy. Because AMR and pension administrators lied to Congress and the PBGC is why neither is sympathetic to their plight.


Which is why I strongly believe they should be held responsible/accountable! They blatantly (completely obvious) lied to their employees, and to Congress well before bankruptcy talk.

AMR's Exec's have been displaying arrogance (an attitude of superiority manifested in an overbearing manner) toward change. They've cared more about keeping their job's & maintaining their status quo.

OOHHHH BUT NOW THIS?

Read this---> AMR Now Considering Merger in Bankruptcy-CHICAGO TRIBUNE- ARTICLE- 05/11/12

:rolleyes:
 
But the margins are SO LOW. :sarcasm:

.... as they stuff money pie down their mouths.

money-pie.jpg


Emmmmm!
 
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