AA (Aviation and Alcohol)

[skydog]

Just learned that a former co-worker of mine got busted yesterday in a random drug and alcohol test. He was escorted off the property.

Yesterday he was making good money, and because of his seniority, could pretty much hold whatever schedule he wanted. Today he is unemployed, and unemployable, at least in this business. Some Christmas present!

As we move into the Holidays, remember to "Think before you drink."

 

[MQAAord]

Wow.

 

[Kristie]

Just learned that a former co-worker of mine got busted yesterday in a random drug and alcohol test. He was escorted off the property.

Yesterday he was making good money, and because of his seniority, could pretty much hold whatever schedule he wanted. Today he is unemployed, and unemployable, at least in this business. Some Christmas present!

As we move into the Holidays, remember to "Think before you drink."

that's some christmas present "to himself, from himself"...just remember, nobody did it to him...he did that himself which is, in all sincerity, very sad!! I hope he gets some help!!

and if the test was inaccurate, hopefully the union will help him fight it!

 

[greaper007]

Was it the drugs or the alcohol part? Both are bad, but I see failing a Breathalyzer as worse than failing a drug test. There may be an excuse for failing urine test, they're pretty inaccurate. I'd hope the union would fight for him to have a second chance there.

 

[My Flight Surgeon]

Refer to the http://www.himsprogram.com website for assistance. I have talked about this before and these are good guys.

Additional note: Pilots, like the rest of the population have about a 5% incidence of alcoholism/drug abuse. It is out there so be aware.

 

[greaper007]

Refer to the http://www.himsprogram.com website for assistance. I have talked about this before and these are good guys.

Additional note: Pilots, like the rest of the population have about a 5% incidence of alcoholism/drug abuse. It is out there so be aware.

I told my fiance about that program (PHD in psychology). According to her, that's a really good substance abuse program. I guess most insurance companies will only pay for 4-6 week in house programs. However, statistically you need a year long in house program to be truly "cured." So it's better than what most of the population is getting.

 

[Old Pete]

Was it the drugs or the alcohol part? Both are bad, but I see failing a Breathalyzer as worse than failing a drug test. There may be an excuse for failing urine test, they're pretty inaccurate. I'd hope the union would fight for him to have a second chance there.

Why would you say that? Among breath, blood and urine, breath tests are generally regarded to be the least accurate and blood the most accurate.

 

[PGT]

Im not surprised. I've talked to senior pilots and their wives who say alcohol is very common. Alone in the hotel room, no family, etc. They told me to never touch that stuff.

 

[aussieflyer]

Why would you say that? Among breath, blood and urine, breath tests are generally regarded to be the least accurate and blood the most accurate.

Urine tests can sometimes be misleading depending upon the type of medication someone is taking. Besides the old one of medications mixing badly with alchohol they sometimes can increase the readings in a urine sample. A classic example is certain anti-depressants such as moclobemide (although a pilot shouldnt be flying on those either) can cause a spike in the readings in your urine, Doloxene too I have heard. It all depends on the type and half life of the drug.

Anyway, Blood tests are always best

 

[av8sean]

I'll confirm that alot of the pilots I know (professional ones) are big time boozers. I personally witnessed a EVA pilot doing an illegal substance. But naturally, I've never flown while intoxicated.. but I can confirm that taking a flight lesson after a long night and a bad hangover is NOT a good idea! HAHA

 

[E6BAV8R]

I'll confirm that alot of the pilots I know (professional ones) are big time boozers. I personally witnessed a EVA pilot doing an illegal substance. But naturally, I've never flown while intoxicated.. but I can confirm that taking a flight lesson after a long night and a bad hangover is NOT a good idea! HAHA

Throw food in that mix and unusual attitudes start getting fun.

 

[Blip16]

I'll confirm that alot of the pilots I know (professional ones) are big time boozers. I personally witnessed a EVA pilot doing an illegal substance. But naturally, I've never flown while intoxicated.. but I can confirm that taking a flight lesson after a long night and a bad hangover is NOT a good idea! HAHA

a hangover is still under the influence of alcohol. you have have flown intoxicated

 

[Kristie]

arooo? try that again?

 

[Blip16]

if you have a hangover you are still under the affects of alcohol

 

[SpiraMirabilis]

if you have a hangover you are still under the affects of alcohol

These two statements are incongruent with each other. Having a hangover is an effect of alcohol withdrawl therefore while you are under the influence of (a lack of) alcohol you are not necessarily and not usually intoxicated. I don't recommend flying with a hang over.

 

[frog_flyer]

a hangover you are still under the influence of alcohol

Have you drank before? A hangover is the subsequent dehydration after a night of good drinkin', or in JH's case, 3 beers.

bwah ha ha ha.

 

[Chris_Ford]

A hangover is the subsequent dehydration after a night of good drinkin', or in JH's case, 3 beers.
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One could make a case then that it is influenced by alcohol, could one not?

 

[frog_flyer]

One could make a case then that it is influenced by alcohol, could one not?

One should argue that it's from not drinking enough water, should one not?


spare me

 

[DoWhat?]

Hangover? Not familiar.:nana2:

 

[Kristie]

These two statements are incongruent with each other. Having a hangover is an effect of alcohol withdrawl therefore while you are under the influence of (a lack of) alcohol you are not necessarily and not usually intoxicated. I don't recommend flying with a hang over.

hence... my aroooo? comment!!