AA 777 makes emergency landing in the Aleutians
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frog_flyer
FredFlyer
197 pax on a 777.
Can someone tell me again why this company loses hundreds of millions of dollars a quarter?
Unless cAArgo was pimping out that flight (they're the only profit producing unit of AMR, aside from the cafeteria at HDQ. That cafeteria is awesome, by the way.)
Can someone tell me again why this company loses hundreds of millions of dollars a quarter?
Unless cAArgo was pimping out that flight (they're the only profit producing unit of AMR, aside from the cafeteria at HDQ. That cafeteria is awesome, by the way.)
gne in prog
Well-Known Member
On fire over the ocean would be a nightmare. Glad it was just an indication issue.
Nick
Well-Known Member
Hold on a minute
First of all, the thing holds 252.
That's a 78% load factor.
Secondly, to say that one flight was lightly loaded and that it must be an indication of why the place hasn't been profitable recently is pointless.
Just for the heck of it since we're discussing this, I just checked loads to NRT from a bunch of different cities on one of AMR's biggest competitors to that part of the world and there, as usual, flights with 100+ seats open, to include 50% of business class being empty. Meanwhile, that carrier expects to be profitable shortly.
Point is, 78% load factor plus cargo can easily make money.
197 pax on a 777.
Can someone tell me again why this company loses hundreds of millions of dollars a quarter?
Unless cAArgo was pimping out that flight
First of all, the thing holds 252.
That's a 78% load factor.
Secondly, to say that one flight was lightly loaded and that it must be an indication of why the place hasn't been profitable recently is pointless.
Just for the heck of it since we're discussing this, I just checked loads to NRT from a bunch of different cities on one of AMR's biggest competitors to that part of the world and there, as usual, flights with 100+ seats open, to include 50% of business class being empty. Meanwhile, that carrier expects to be profitable shortly.
Point is, 78% load factor plus cargo can easily make money.
Cptnchia
Dissatisfied Customer
Re: Hold on a minute
What you're missing is that we will cancel certain flights a day, which in turn fills up the remaining flights at the last minute. It's a sneaky way of doing it.
What you're missing is that we will cancel certain flights a day, which in turn fills up the remaining flights at the last minute. It's a sneaky way of doing it.
surreal1221
Well-Known Member
Re: Hold on a minute
I hope they cancelled in the AIR!!!!11 Arrg!
I hope they cancelled in the AIR!!!!11 Arrg!
Nick
Well-Known Member
All of the ones I checked are long haul to Asia though. In my non-revving experience over there and just walking past the departure screens these particular flights seem to be cancelled extremely infrequently regardless of loads.
Last week DTW-NGO went out 15 hours late (the next morning) -- out of curiosity I checked online to see what had happened to the segments beyond NGO (because I want to know what to expect if my non-rev butt is over there again trying to get home!). NGO-MNL, MNL-NGO, and even NGO-DTW two days later were all very delayed. I think when that plane left DTW in the morning it literally just went to the Philippines and back via Japan with nothing but 90 minute turns in between.
I just don't think it would make much sense to eliminate a segment that carries two dozen LD3 containers, 65 business class people and 338 in coach just because there's still a hundred seats for sale. Something has to fly the intra-Asia leg to SIN/BKK/PVG etc. and after dusk at NRT, there never appears to be many spares sitting around.
Minuteman
I HAVE STRONG OPINIONS ABOUT AUTOMOTIVE LIGHTING!
Nick
Well-Known Member
Hahaha. Someone was probably holding over the Diomede Islands min fuel waiting to get in!
197 pax on a 777.
Can someone tell me again why this company loses hundreds of millions of dollars a quarter?
Unless cAArgo was pimping out that flight (they're the only profit producing unit of AMR, aside from the cafeteria at HDQ. That cafeteria is awesome, by the way.)
There's a lot of dough in cargo.
Sadly, passengers are almost the loss-leader.
OMGZ $199 to fly LA to BOS, they'ruh rippin' us awffff!
Rocketman99
Frozen Guppy Manipulator
I'm half-jealous. I always wanted to land on Shemya and see the place and all the underground stuff. I certainly would not want to get the chance to finally do it because I may have been on fire flying over the ocean.
GlenA
Senior Chicken Counter
n77j
Well-Known Member
197 pax on a 777.
Can someone tell me again why this company loses hundreds of millions of dollars a quarter?
Unless cAArgo was pimping out that flight (they're the only profit producing unit of AMR, aside from the cafeteria at HDQ. That cafeteria is awesome, by the way.)
Back in the days American used to fly San Jose, CA-Narita. The loads average about 150 pax or so on B777. But the cargo would fill up almost every compartment! Cargo is where your money is as someone stated on the previously post!
popaviator
Well-Known Member
ASpilot2be
Qbicle seat warmer
The plane is sitting at the North Terminal here in Anchorage.
We have a G-II based with us that takes crews out to Shemya. I really want to catch a ride on them.
Orange Anchor
New Member
We used to do a run to Bermuda in the 767. When the merger arrived the wizards switched it to a 727 due to low load factors on the 767. The problem was the 767 could have done the run with almost NO ONE on board. The freight alone made the trip profitable. The 727, on the other hand, could not carry the freight and the load factor for profit had to be quite high. Another brilliant marketing decision.
Low&Slow
Ancora imparo
"American Airlines says one of its jets made an emergency landing on an Aleutian island after a fire warning light went off."
I don't fly these aircraft, but I've never heard of having the fire warning light go "off" instead of "on" to indicate there is a problem. It just seems like it would be much more difficult to detect, also what if it was something simple and non-emergency related like the bulb burning out.
I don't fly these aircraft, but I've never heard of having the fire warning light go "off" instead of "on" to indicate there is a problem. It just seems like it would be much more difficult to detect, also what if it was something simple and non-emergency related like the bulb burning out.
Orange Anchor
New Member
It is a PR guy talking, not a pilot or systems guy. Sort of like the FA that told the 727 crew, "We lost number 3" when the engine separated from the airplane. The crew, looking at its instruments for number 3 saw nothing (no egt, no fuel flow, no electrical) said, "Yeah.. we know." It took some doing but the crew finally realized the FA meant the engine was GONE!
Turn the air UP? Means different things to different people.
KLB
Well-Known Member
The only way I can see the fire warning light being off if there is a fire is that if it initially came on and then went out. You hit the press to test button and the light does not come back on. That means loop is fried and you still may be on fire.