A Small World/Potential Scabs

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So I'm sitting at the local watering hole last night, bitching at the owner for firing a fantastic bartender for what amounts to petty jealousy of him, I met an American Airlines 757/767 captain.

We exchanged stories, which are pretty much the SAME stories, ranging from the perils of dealing with 'senior mamma' flight attendants who drop their bags at your feet, full of crap they bought on the layover as if you're their porter, to funny stories about cranky pilots losing their cool with Piarco.

Anyway, I had NO idea, but AA has been fighting for permission to begin training 'scab' flight attendants if the APFA goes out on strike. I had no idea:


Ex-TWA flight attendants threaten to work during American Airlines strike

11:38 AM Thu, Feb 04, 2010 | Permalink
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A group of ex-Trans World Airlines flight attendants was warning Thursday its members would gladly work as replacements if American Airlines flight attendants walk off the job.

The St. Louis-based group, Coalition for Union Principles, told APFA president Laura Glading last August that the group's members would be willing to cross a picket line if the APFA walked off the job. That threat was repeated in a Thursday press release.

"If American Airlines calls, the majority of the former TWA attendants will respond," coalition spokesperson Nancy McGuire said. "They want to resume the careers that were stolen from them by a renegade union."

Consider this as a continuation of a dispute between the American flight attendants and the ex-TWA flight attendants, who joined American when American acquired TWA assets in 2001.

The APFA put all the TWA flight attendants at the bottom of the APFA seniority list. That meant that a 40-year flight attendant who came over from TWA would be laid off before a flight attendant who was hired at American a month before the TWA acquisition.

In fact, the TWA flight attendants have all been laid off since 2001. In that group are more than 2,000 that lost all recall rights after they had been on furlough for five years.

American eventually agreed to extend the recall rights of many other flight attendants beyond five years. However, flight attendants who had already passed the five-year mark did not get recall rights given back to them, and they're gone, period.

The coalition in its press release said the ex-TWA group "have no loyalty to the union they blame for ending their careers."

"APFA has damaged the labor movement by their failure to respect the seniority of fellow union members," McGuire said. "The TWA attendants have no loyalty to a group masquerading as a labor union that does not respect the most basic tenet of unionism."

APFA and American are in the middle of contract talks overseen by the National Mediation Board. Glading has said the union will ask the NMB to declare an impasse if the next round of negotiations, set for Feb. 27-March 3 in Washington, don't result in a deal.

American has told the Federal Aviation Administration that it may train management employees to work as replacements if APFA members conduct a strike.

We asked American spokeswoman Missy Latham on Tuesday if American was considering using ex-TWA flight attendants to replace strikers, or if the airline had talked to McGuire about the subject.

Her answer: "I've confirmed that we have done neither ... at this time."
 
One of our front desk girls at the FBO is former Ozark/former TWA/furloughed American. If her attitude is any indication, there is a HUGE amount of bitterness out there about the stapling of the TWA FAs.
 
It gets better: http://aviationblog.dallasnews.com/archives/2010/02/ex-twa-flight-attendants-threa.html


A group of ex-Trans World Airlines flight attendants was warning Thursday its members would gladly work as replacements if American Airlines flight attendants walk off the job.
The St. Louis-based group, Coalition for Union Principles, told APFA president Laura Glading last August that the group's members would be willing to cross a picket line if the APFA walked off the job. That threat was repeated in a Thursday press release.
"If American Airlines calls, the majority of the former TWA attendants will respond," coalition spokesperson Nancy McGuire said. "They want to resume the careers that were stolen from them by a renegade union."
Consider this as a continuation of a dispute between the American flight attendants and the ex-TWA flight attendants, who joined American when American acquired TWA assets in 2001.
The APFA put all the TWA flight attendants at the bottom of the APFA seniority list. That meant that a 40-year flight attendant who came over from TWA would be laid off before a flight attendant who was hired at American a month before the TWA acquisition.
In fact, the TWA flight attendants have all been laid off since 2001. In that group are more than 2,000 that lost all recall rights after they had been on furlough for five years.
American eventually agreed to extend the recall rights of many other flight attendants beyond five years. However, flight attendants who had already passed the five-year mark did not get recall rights given back to them, and they're gone, period.
The coalition in its press release said the ex-TWA group "have no loyalty to the union they blame for ending their careers."
"APFA has damaged the labor movement by their failure to respect the seniority of fellow union members," McGuire said. "The TWA attendants have no loyalty to a group masquerading as a labor union that does not respect the most basic tenet of unionism."
APFA and American are in the middle of contract talks overseen by the National Mediation Board. Glading has said the union will ask the NMB to declare an impasse if the next round of negotiations, set for Feb. 27-March 3 in Washington, don't result in a deal.
American has told the Federal Aviation Administration that it may train management employees to work as replacements if APFA members conduct a strike.
We asked American spokeswoman Missy Latham on Tuesday if American was considering using ex-TWA flight attendants to replace strikers, or if the airline had talked to McGuire about the subject.
Her answer: "I've confirmed that we have done neither ... at this time."
 

Isn't that exactly what Doug posted?


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:D
 
Isn't that exactly what Doug posted?
Yes:crazy:
Here try this one: http://dallas.bizjournals.com/dallas/stories/2010/02/01/daily15.html?ana=yfcpc

AMR Corp., the parent company of American Airlines, may be looking into the possibility of training replacement flight attendants if a strike erupts after the company and its flight attendants end a long period of contract discussions following a final meeting later this month.
While American Airlines issued a statement recognizing that contingency plans are an element the airline focuses on in situations like this, the airline did not specifically state whether training other employees to step in as flight attendants is being discussed or under way.
"We are committed to the mediation process and our top objective remains reaching an agreement with the APFA on a contract for our flight attendants," said Missy Latham, a spokeswoman for the airline. "We are also focused on the needs of our operation and will be proactive and responsible in working to coordinate an approved contingency training program, should it be necessary.
"These efforts take into account the potentially long lead time necessary for development and approval of training programs. Contingency planning to help ensure continuity of an operation is standard in the airline industry during contract negotiations."
Five days of talks are currently scheduled at the end of February between American Airlines and the Association of Professional Flight Attendants.
Fears of a strike have prompted the company to consider training new attendants — many of whom would come from the company’s management ranks, Bloomberg said.
Federal regulators would have to approve all of the training if such a program were implemented.
The Federal Aviation Administration is in constant contact with the airline, which is routine when a carrier and union are in the middle of labor negotiations, said Lynn Lunsford, a spokesman for the FAA.
To date, the FAA has not received notice that American will go down the path of training replacement employees. However, the airline already has an FAA-approved training plan to use. The program was developed during stressful negotiations back in 1993, according to the FAA.
"It (training plan) deals with the required safety duties of a flight attendant," Lunsford said. While it doesn't touch on the finer customer service points — such as how to serve wine — it assures personnel are well-versed on safety issues and safety equipment on board, he added.
 
Do the pilots have to fly if their FA's are on strike and they hire scab FA's?

You know, I have no idea, but I'll look into it.

At both (boTHUM!) airlines I've worked for, the pilots have been the only major group covered under collective bargaining.

I have no first hand experience with another group being on strike and having replacement workers on duty.

I've been on strike, yes, but that's about it.
 
American has told the Federal Aviation Administration that it may train management employees to work as replacements if APFA members conduct a strike.

Wow!! I wonder what "level" managment they may train to do this.. and who would do the managers job while they are working as replacements? Do they really think they even have enough managers to do this and be able to train them in time? They are living in a dream world.
 
Just shows you how little management actually does at large airlines like this, little enough that they can have them go on the line with apparently little consequences. Oh dear me, some excel spreadsheet that nobody looks at won't be done.
 
Not that I condone one union scabbing for another union, but the Tdubbers got screwed pretty badly, especially on the FA side of the house.

What I find even more frightening is at British Airways the pilot union (part of ALPA international no less) has no problem with it's pilot's scabbing for the BA FAs if they walk.
 
I know the woman quoted in the article - Nancy McQuire - since I was about 4 or 5 years old. She, my aunt, and others were full term IFFA strikers against Icahn and Nancy and my aunt had pretty high-up union posts. It is hard for me to imagine them scabbing (because they were relentless against the IFFA SCABS (including the "hero" of flight 847 Uli Derickson - later of Delta and recently deceased).

I think the Ex-TWA'ers would view this in a similar light to a hypothetical USAPA strike - would the westies honor a picket line that was created with the sole intention of screwing them over? Not many probably would. So...as an ex-TWA'er - would you honor the picket line of a group that screwed you over?

Either way...I love when bad things happen for AMR. Makes me happy.
 
Just shows you how little management actually does at large airlines like this, little enough that they can have them go on the line with apparently little consequences. Oh dear me, some excel spreadsheet that nobody looks at won't be done.

Who is going to do the TPS reports then! (Office Space Joke) :sarcasm:

How soon could a strike be possible? I see they said they have 5 days at the end of Feburary for scheduled talks so I would guess sometime in March.

How many former TWA FAs are on furlough at AA that can still be recalled? The article already says that 2,000 TWA FAs beyond the 5 year mark can't be recalled so how many does that leave and even with the ones left that can still be recalled I'm sure many of them have new careers already and won't go back.

Are all the former TWA FAs really on board with becoming scabs or is it just a few of them trying to speak for all of them and blowing some smoke?

I guess I'm not too familiar with how this works but who at APFA decided that the TWA FAs were going to go to the bottom of the list? It sounds like the former TWA FAs beef should be with APFA and not the AA FA's who they would be hurting.
 
What I find even more frightening is at British Airways the pilot union (part of ALPA international no less) has no problem with it's pilot's scabbing for the BA FAs if they walk.


Huh? You mean not honor the picket line?
 
Huh? You mean not honor the picket line?

TWA FA's are part of a union? Again not saying I condone it, but last I checked the AA FA union left all the TWA FA's way behind...... Who knows what will happen, but is there any proof out there that this is actually going to occur? Seems like its a possibility, but it has me wondering if indeed this is in the works, or has it already been put into motion with the AA mgt team?
 
What I find even more frightening is at British Airways the pilot union (part of ALPA international no less) has no problem with it's pilot's scabbing for the BA FAs if they walk.

Correction: British ALPA (BALPA) is NOT part of ALPA International. It's part of the International Federation of Air Line Pilots Associations (IFALPA). Two very different things. Only American and Canadian pilot groups can be members of ALPA International. Regarding the possible FA strike, I haven't been keeping too close of tabs on what BALPA's opinion on the matter is, but I can talk to Captain Rice and see what's going on, since he's in touch with BALPA frequently.

Do the pilots have to fly if their FA's are on strike and they hire scab FA's?

No, they don't. The APA contract doesn't contain a no-strike clause, and the RLA does not prohibit secondary boycotts, so the pilots have no requirement to continue working. It would be a strategic and/or philosophical decision to make as to whether to continue working or not.
 
Correction: British ALPA (BALPA) is NOT part of ALPA International. It's part of the International Federation of Air Line Pilots Associations (IFALPA). Two very different things. Only American and Canadian pilot groups can be members of ALPA International. Regarding the possible FA strike, I haven't been keeping too close of tabs on what BALPA's opinion on the matter is, but I can talk to Captain Rice and see what's going on, since he's in touch with BALPA frequently.

Good grief...

I half expect to see "operated by ALPA International, Inc." on the website...
 
Huh? You mean not honor the picket line?

Apparently some BA pilots have signed up for F/A qualification to work in the cabin during a potential F/A strike.

I have to wonder, what is the incentive?
 
Maybe (hopefully) they are signing up for that, making BA pay the training costs, and then will honor the picket line? Would be a good move, have management think they will have extra workers when it is all a big ploy.
 
Not that I condone one union scabbing for another union, but the Tdubbers got screwed pretty badly, especially on the FA side of the house.

That does certainly seem to be the case with the FAs here. Probably a case of "you screwed us by stapling us, now here's your karma if you go strike."
 
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