A quick question

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I know its not legal to file /G without a IFR GPS on board, but I have always wondered if putting "VFR GPS on board" in the remarks section makes a difference.
 
ryanmickG said:
I know its not legal to file /G without a IFR GPS on board, but I have always wondered if putting "VFR GPS on board" in the remarks section makes a difference.
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Curious, which model are you talking about? I didn't realize that there was a VFR/IFR distinction made between GPSes... but maybe that's because I've been flying planes held together with duct tape. GPWhat?
 
I don't think it would make a differeance in the way a controller would handle your aircraft in VFR flight. He/she might just feel more comfortable about you;).

It would be useful to know in an emergency I suppose. I'm just guessing though. Not a controller yet.
 
I have pilots who routinuely put that in the remarks. As far as I'm concerned as a controller if you aren't filing as a /G you obviously aren't able to file to RNAV waypoints. That being the case if I say fly heading such and such when able direct (insert VOR here) and you go direct based off of the VFR GPS 30 miles before you get a usable signal, thats your call not mine. I can't tell if you're getting a legal usable signal.

As far as does it make a difference, it might depending on who is working you and the situation. There is a fix in my airspace that gets used over and over and over and provides a big time saving shortcut for our GA pilots, but its location is one where there is little margin for error. If I have a pilot who is on a practice IFR flight and is tracking their practice ILSs and Localizer approaches a half mile off consistantly I typically won't trust them to use this fix. If however I get the feeling that they are confident and capable and that it is an issue with their equipment I might give a second thought to using that fix if I know they have a tool to enhance their situational awareness.
 
genot said:
I have pilots who routinuely put that in the remarks. As far as I'm concerned as a controller if you aren't filing as a /G you obviously aren't able to file to RNAV waypoints. That being the case if I say fly heading such and such when able direct (insert VOR here) and you go direct based off of the VFR GPS 30 miles before you get a usable signal, thats your call not mine. I can't tell if you're getting a legal usable signal.

As far as does it make a difference, it might depending on who is working you and the situation. There is a fix in my airspace that gets used over and over and over and provides a big time saving shortcut for our GA pilots, but its location is one where there is little margin for error. If I have a pilot who is on a practice IFR flight and is tracking their practice ILSs and Localizer approaches a half mile off consistantly I typically won't trust them to use this fix. If however I get the feeling that they are confident and capable and that it is an issue with their equipment I might give a second thought to using that fix if I know they have a tool to enhance their situational awareness.
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We also have a fix, rather an arrival for ATL, that everyone gets issued and most of the time the aircraft are /G so we give them direct XXXXX, join the YYYYY2 arrival. However, Flight Express (/U types) will sometimes put "VFR GPS" in the remarks so I ask before I issue the arrival, "Are you able direct XXXXX? If he says yes, I clear him direct, if not, he gets vectors to the airway to join. My .02

HD
 
Rosstafari said:
Curious, which model are you talking about? I didn't realize that there was a VFR/IFR distinction made between GPSes... but maybe that's because I've been flying planes held together with duct tape. GPWhat?
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All hand helds and a few panel mount GPS units don't meet the TSO(s) for IFR flight.

As a pilot, you're free to use whatever you want to, but its your ticket on the line if something goes wrong. In the event of an electrical failure, you bet I'm going to navigate with my hand held, but I don't want to get caught using one to substitute for DME or an ADF if I'm trying to fly an approach.
 
Barty said:
All hand helds and a few panel mount GPS units don't meet the TSO(s) for IFR flight.
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Ahh, got it. Thanks. Still haven't hit instrument training yet, so I'm navigating by rivers, highways and water towers anyway.
 
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