A proposed sick-out?

ATN_Pilot said:
PATCO didn't fall under the RLA. Completely different law for federal public sector employees.
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Methinks, as usual, the loudest voices in the movement clearly have no idea what they're asking the industry to do.

If anyone WAS indeed to even attempt it on a large scale, I can't see management running back to open up full "section six", I can see a lot of fired pilots become pariahs to anyone hiring and a handful of operators on the brink ceasing to exist.
 
I can think of more fun ways to get fired than this. We had a guy make an unauthorized high speed pass in ANC on his last flight. There was some teeth nashing but he still got his A plan. You can fire a guy on his last day but he still gets his pension....
 
DE727UPS said:
I can think of more fun ways to get fired than this. We had a guy make an unauthorized high speed pass in ANC on his last flight. There was some teeth nashing but he still got his A plan. You can fire a guy on his last day but he still gets his pension....
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Man, last time I made a high speed pass....I got my butt handed to me..
 

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DE727UPS said:
I can think of more fun ways to get fired than this. We had a guy make an unauthorized high speed pass in ANC on his last flight. There was some teeth nashing but he still got his A plan. You can fire a guy on his last day but he still gets his pension....
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Years ago I flew with a J4J captain who was telling me about his first flight off of IOE which happened to be a PIT based 737 captain's last flight. The guy was a trouble maker--enough so that apparently nobody wanted to do his retirement flight with him. Anyhow, they blasted off out of Miami to go back to PIT and were given some heading to fly. The FO (the captain telling me the story) read back the heading but his captain punched in the MMJ VOR (about 5 miles away from the Pittsburgh Airport) and said "tell them we're going direct Montour." Apparently this went on with every sector they went in and out of all the way up to PIT with the FO collecting all kinds of phone numbers to call along the way. They eventually got on with PIT approach who tried to vector them into the downwind for the ILS but the captain said they had the field in sight and were proceeding direct the numbers for 32.

They eventually land, taxi in and unload. The captain packs his bag, walks off the plane (with the FO in tow), walks right by the contingent of people with cake standing at the jetway to congratulate him on his career, hands his ID to the chief pilot who is waiting and walks away. The CP comes up to the FO, who is terrified he's about to get fired and asks him what happened because he's gotten all kinds of calls from ATC over the last three hours about one of his planes ignoring their instructions. The FO tells him and the CP laughs and says "that's all he did? I'll take care of it," and walks away. The FO never heard another word about.

Of course, several years later, they DID take the captain's pension away, along with every other pilot who worked there, but I'm guessing that was unrelated.
 
Derg said:
There's no moral predicament. An anonymous guy on the Internet commands "don't go to work on the first" and I'm supposed to do.... What?

It's not even a strike.
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What if Newsbot told you not to go to work on X day. I bet you wouldn't be so flippantly dismissive then, would you?!?!




:D
 
BobDDuck said:
Years ago I flew with a J4J captain who was telling me about his first flight off of IOE which happened to be a PIT based 737 captain's last flight. The guy was a trouble maker--enough so that apparently nobody wanted to do his retirement flight with him. Anyhow, they blasted off out of Miami to go back to PIT and were given some heading to fly. The FO (the captain telling me the story) read back the heading but his captain punched in the MMJ VOR (about 5 miles away from the Pittsburgh Airport) and said "tell them we're going direct Montour." Apparently this went on with every sector they went in and out of all the way up to PIT with the FO collecting all kinds of phone numbers to call along the way. They eventually got on with PIT approach who tried to vector them into the downwind for the ILS but the captain said they had the field in sight and were proceeding direct the numbers for 32.

They eventually land, taxi in and unload. The captain packs his bag, walks off the plane (with the FO in tow), walks right by the contingent of people with cake standing at the jetway to congratulate him on his career, hands his ID to the chief pilot who is waiting and walks away. The CP comes up to the FO, who is terrified he's about to get fired and asks him what happened because he's gotten all kinds of calls from ATC over the last three hours about one of his planes ignoring their instructions. The FO tells him and the CP laughs and says "that's all he did? I'll take care of it," and walks away. The FO never heard another word about.

Of course, several years later, they DID take the captain's pension away, along with every other pilot who worked there, but I'm guessing that was unrelated.
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That is just epic. Different era for sure.
 
BobDDuck said:
Years ago I flew with a J4J captain who was telling me about his first flight off of IOE which happened to be a PIT based 737 captain's last flight. The guy was a trouble maker--enough so that apparently nobody wanted to do his retirement flight with him. Anyhow, they blasted off out of Miami to go back to PIT and were given some heading to fly. The FO (the captain telling me the story) read back the heading but his captain punched in the MMJ VOR (about 5 miles away from the Pittsburgh Airport) and said "tell them we're going direct Montour." Apparently this went on with every sector they went in and out of all the way up to PIT with the FO collecting all kinds of phone numbers to call along the way. They eventually got on with PIT approach who tried to vector them into the downwind for the ILS but the captain said they had the field in sight and were proceeding direct the numbers for 32.

They eventually land, taxi in and unload. The captain packs his bag, walks off the plane (with the FO in tow), walks right by the contingent of people with cake standing at the jetway to congratulate him on his career, hands his ID to the chief pilot who is waiting and walks away. The CP comes up to the FO, who is terrified he's about to get fired and asks him what happened because he's gotten all kinds of calls from ATC over the last three hours about one of his planes ignoring their instructions. The FO tells him and the CP laughs and says "that's all he did? I'll take care of it," and walks away. The FO never heard another word about.

Of course, several years later, they DID take the captain's pension away, along with every other pilot who worked there, but I'm guessing that was unrelated.
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The bright side at least.....extra pieces of cake for you.
 
BobDDuck said:
Years ago I flew with a J4J captain who was telling me about his first flight off of IOE which happened to be a PIT based 737 captain's last flight. The guy was a trouble maker--enough so that apparently nobody wanted to do his retirement flight with him. Anyhow, they blasted off out of Miami to go back to PIT and were given some heading to fly. The FO (the captain telling me the story) read back the heading but his captain punched in the MMJ VOR (about 5 miles away from the Pittsburgh Airport) and said "tell them we're going direct Montour." Apparently this went on with every sector they went in and out of all the way up to PIT with the FO collecting all kinds of phone numbers to call along the way. They eventually got on with PIT approach who tried to vector them into the downwind for the ILS but the captain said they had the field in sight and were proceeding direct the numbers for 32.

They eventually land, taxi in and unload. The captain packs his bag, walks off the plane (with the FO in tow), walks right by the contingent of people with cake standing at the jetway to congratulate him on his career, hands his ID to the chief pilot who is waiting and walks away. The CP comes up to the FO, who is terrified he's about to get fired and asks him what happened because he's gotten all kinds of calls from ATC over the last three hours about one of his planes ignoring their instructions. The FO tells him and the CP laughs and says "that's all he did? I'll take care of it," and walks away. The FO never heard another word about.

Of course, several years later, they DID take the captain's pension away, along with every other pilot who worked there, but I'm guessing that was unrelated.
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WOW 8O
 
Cptnchia said:
Once the mainline customer cancels the ASA due to non compliance with completion rates, THEN the airline will fire everyone and shutdown. Such is the life of a contractor. Fail to show up to do a job, get fired.
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If the guys building my pool decided to walk off the job, I'm hiring a new contractor. My agreement is with the contractor to perform a function and his personnel issues, by virtue of our relationship, aren't my concern.
 
Derg said:
If the guys building my pool decided to walk off the job, I'm hiring a new contractor. My agreement is with the contractor to perform a function and his personnel issues, by virtue of our relationship, aren't my concern.
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It would be even better if you were leasing the contractor the tools required, too. That way, you can just snag the tools back and find more motor oil to run them.
 
Derg said:
If the guys building my pool decided to walk off the job, I'm hiring a new contractor. My agreement is with the contractor to perform a function and his personnel issues, by virtue of our relationship, aren't my concern.
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Autothrust Blue said:
It would be even better if you were leasing the contractor the tools required, too. That way, you can just snag the tools back and find more motor oil to run them.
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WacoFan agrees with these.
 
Let me clarify that I'm completely sympathetic and understanding of the work conditions at the regionals, I wasn't born a mainline 320 captain. But you gotta do this stuff correctly or there will be a lot of shattered expectations at the end of the day.
 
Derg said:
Let me clarify that I'm completely sympathetic and understanding of the work conditions at the regionals, I wasn't born a mainline 320 captain. But you gotta do this stuff correctly or there will be a lot of shattered expectations at the end of the day.
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Things ARE in fact fairly dire at a lot of regionals right now. Poorly run management groups have treated people like absolute crap for over a decade at this point, and with the stagnation that has occurred, you've got entire corporate cultures that have bred some very, very, very angry people.

Mainline carriers are eventually going to have to hire these people to fly their airplanes, and there is a developing chance that by outsourcing so much flying, for so long, to places that treat their employees so poorly, that you may have a bunch of people with regional airline PTSD moving forward.

Or said another way, these mainline carriers might have poisioned their own cultures over the next 20 years as these people get into mainline jobs, but continue to expect to get beaten up by management, and will continue to want to burn the place down at the hint of any bad conduct by management.

Or maybe everybody will be happy and cash their huge paychecks. Who knows.
 
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