A Not So Bad Article About Pilot Salaries

SeanD

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Not that most of us didnt already know this. After all the negative bashing the media has been doing lately in regards to aviation, its good to see an "ok" and somewhat educational article for a change. Its kind of like Hallys comet. ;)

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/30809955/
 
It would still be nice if they would mention that $78 per hour is per FLIGHT hour and doesn't go into the number of duty hours which dilutes that hourly rate drastically.
 
It would still be nice if they would mention that $78 per hour is per FLIGHT hour and doesn't go into the number of duty hours, which dilute that hourly rate drastically.

That was my thought as well. If I was the average uninformed citizen on airline pay, I would calculate that on an average 2000 hour work year.
 
KB, you reminded me of this.

If anyone knows somebody in the news business that can send this in, do it! This is from some time ago. I believe I got it from JC, but I can't be certain.

When you see a Pilot... he's not getting paid!

* When you see a pilot going through the same security you go through, he's not being paid.
* When you see a pilot walking in the terminal, he's not being paid.
* When you see a pilot walking around the aircraft doing a preflight inspection, he's not being paid.
* When you board the aircraft and look in the cockpit and see the pilots setting up the aircraft, they're not getting paid.
* When you land safely at your destination and walk off the aircraft and see the pilots shutting down the aircraft, they're not being paid
* When you see a pilot waiting for a ride to a hotel for the night, he's not being paid.
* The only time the pilot of your aircraft is getting paid is when you DON"T see him... when he's locked behind the cockpit door as you push back from the gate. Every thing else he does until this point is for free. For no wages. Nothing!
* The average airline pilot is at work for 12- 14 hours per day, yet gets paid for less than 6 - 7 hours.
* The average airline pilot is away from home, at work, for 70+ hours a week, yet gets paid for only 15 to 18 hours per weeks work.
* Most pilots schedules have them working 15 to 21 days a month... that means they are not at home half to three-fourths of every month. Yet the public usually only reads about those few exceptions that have 20 days off (though in their last few years before retirement).
* Holidays, weekends, birthdays, anniversaries, summer vacations.... not at home.
* A majority of pilots have 4 year college degrees, or more. Then they begin training as pilots.
* A large majority of Pilots have spent 8 years or more flying in the military, risking their lives and protecting your freedom for wages most of you wouldn't accept in the civilian world.
* Civilian trained pilots have spent $50,000 or more to acquire the training that qualifies them for a Regional Airline job, which pays a wage less than the poverty level in most western countries.
* Most pilots do not attain the required experience level to be hired by a major airline until they are well passed the age of 30. The average age of a new hire airline pilot is 32.
* Until the year 2009, airline pilots were required to retire at the age of 60. This gave most of them less than 28 years to maximize their income and fund their pensions, hoping that greedy airline execs won't steal it. Today, they still have to worry about the greedy execs.
* Airline pilots are subject to random drug and alcohol testing, any time they are at work. Fail it and they lose their job.
* Airline pilots are required to undergo rigorous re-training and certification every 6 months, at which time they could fail and lose their jobs, licenses and livelihood.
* Airline pilots are required to submit to random government "Line checks" during which their license could be revoked and livelihood destroyed.
* Airline pilots are exposed to radiation levels far exceeding the normal safe radiation limits mandated by the FDA.
* Airline pilots are required to submit to a government medical examination every 6 months. Year after year. Fail that, and their career is over.
* How many of you go to work where people try to kill you? How many of you have had your office turned into a missile? How many of you work behind a bullet proof door?
* How many of you are responsible for the lives of 200- 300 people, with any small mistake in your performance resulting in the death of your customers (and yourselves), and serious financial setback or destruction of your company?
* How many of your jobs require you to fight your way through thunderstorms, rain, snow, ice and turbulence, day and night, year after year? No mistakes allowed? The excuse " I had a bad day at work" never accepted?
* Many pilots volunteer (on their own time and own dime) to be trained as Federal Flight Deck Officers, and carry weapons to defend their aircraft, crew and passengers. They maintain their proficiency and qualifications twice a year on their own time and money.
* How many of you go to work where you are searched, patted down and your personal items scrutinized by strangers for weapons and bombs, even though you can kill everyone in your place of work with just your bare hands?
* Airline pilot pay scales and hours worked are usually posted by absurdly overcompensated Airline Exec's who wage a PR campaign against their Pilot Unions and trying to justify their own greedy bonus's and draconian wage and pension cuts. Cheap airline passengers just love this since they don't care if their airplane is flown by the lowest denominator, as long as they can fly for next to nothing. Of course if they don't get to their destination, their next of kin can sue....
 
Give it a few posts. . .

Just wait for it. . .

One of the hotshots will come in and remind all of you that airline flying is not the only flying, and that, if you end up going that route you are the only one to blame. Further, they'll emphasize how much better thay are than you since they went "another" direction.

Just give it time.
 
That's actually a pretty good article. Of course, the public have already forgotten what the article said.

Why ? Because they just don't care and never have...never will...can't think of a reason why they should. This is all about money from the public's point of view, a fact which is not lost on airline management.

If they can get a cheap ticket, what other consideration is there ? They took a greater risk just getting to the airport...even with things the way they have been...and will continue to be after the dust settles from this Colgan thing.

Airlines exist to make money. You can't possibly be surprised by this. :bandit:
 
Give it a few posts. . .

Just wait for it. . .

One of the hotshots will come in and remind all of you that airline flying is not the only flying, and that, if you end up going that route you are the only one to blame. Further, they'll emphasize how much better thay are than you since they went "another" direction.

Just give it time.

I'll say simply that being a pilot is a job/profession with pros and cons. I've not yet found "utopia" in any endeavor I've been involved. Legacy pilots from 20 years ago probably said the same thing.

Let's ask a professional baseball player those same questions about his "profession" . . .then talk to those in the minor leagues/farm clubs.

I'm sure those in the minor league will have the same comments as those regional aviators.
 
Give it a few posts. . .

Just wait for it. . .

One of the hotshots will come in and remind all of you that airline flying is not the only flying, and that, if you end up going that route you are the only one to blame. Further, they'll emphasize how much better thay are than you since they went "another" direction.

Just give it time.
JMFC! Do you ever give it a rest?
 
As a far more frequent passenger than pilot, I would not mind paying some more for a ticket if i knew that it was going to the pilot(s). Anyone thought of putting out a tip jar at the end of the flight?

The main reason I would pay more is to keep the riff-raff the heck off the planes. I have traveled since i was 6 months old. My mother used to take me to her homeland (the Netherlands) frequently. We paid good money, got excellent service, and the stewardesses (yeah , I know, but that's what they were in 1970-79) were really nice. I want my son to have that same kind of experience some day.

So: jack the prices up, give the extra to the pilots and bring the airline industry back to the middle class and upward! I am tired of sitting next to obese smokers with "I'm with stupid" tshirts.
 
Give it a few posts. . .

Just wait for it. . .

One of the hotshots will come in and remind all of you that airline flying is not the only flying, and that, if you end up going that route you are the only one to blame. Further, they'll emphasize how much better thay are than you since they went "another" direction.

Just give it time.

Well at least you've been listening. How would you know then! :D
 
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