A Lovely Parting Gift!!!

kellwolf said:
Depends on the contract. With PCL, they can call you in the middle of the night to let you know of a schedule change, and it's not considered "interrupting rest." Why? B/c according to our contract, there IS no way to interrupt rest. You're either in rest or on duty. There's no in-between. Guys get calls all the time at 5:30 am at the hotel to notify them of a "schedule change." According to the contract, the "preferred" method is a note under the door, but thanks to the soft language of the word "preferred," it never gets done.
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Same thing with us except there's no contract that says "preferred method." So yeah CS can call you during your rest and I don't think there is a limit on how many times they can call you either. Someone correct me if I am wrong on that.
 
kellwolf said:
Depends on the contract. With PCL, they can call you in the middle of the night to let you know of a schedule change, and it's not considered "interrupting rest." Why? B/c according to our contract, there IS no way to interrupt rest. You're either in rest or on duty. There's no in-between. Guys get calls all the time at 5:30 am at the hotel to notify them of a "schedule change." According to the contract, the "preferred" method is a note under the door, but thanks to the soft language of the word "preferred," it never gets done.
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TVB said:
Same thing with us except there's no contract that says "preferred method." So yeah CS can call you during your rest and I don't think there is a limit on how many times they can call you either. Someone correct me if I am wrong on that.
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Curious.....why are people answering their phone during rest periods? Aren't you technically free from duty during those times...so why answer the phone prior to your next scheduled 'show time?'
 
beechpilot said:
Airdale,

I seriously hope you had some adult beverages when you got home. It probably wouldn't have been so bad had you been able to fly but to get yanked around all day for basically nothing, man that sucks.
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Based on the text messages I was getting, I'd say he had a few. lol
 
Cruise said:
Curious.....why are people answering their phone during rest periods? Aren't you technically free from duty during those times...so why answer the phone prior to your next scheduled 'show time?'
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Doesn't matter if the answer it. The cell phone or the hotel phone ringing at 5:30 am is gonna wake you up. One guy thought it was his wake up call, got up, got dressed then saw he had about 4 hours left to sleep.
 
TVB said:
Same thing with us except there's no contract that says "preferred method." So yeah CS can call you during your rest and I don't think there is a limit on how many times they can call you either. Someone correct me if I am wrong on that.
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There is no limit on the number of calls, but they may only "make contact" once (according to the FAA), the second contact resets your rest requirement.
 
kellwolf said:
Doesn't matter if the answer it. The cell phone or the hotel phone ringing at 5:30 am is gonna wake you up. One guy thought it was his wake up call, got up, got dressed then saw he had about 4 hours left to sleep.
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Sure, I agree, it's gonna wake you up. But, that doesn't mean you need to answer the phone. Am I missing something here?
 
Snuggle said:
Seriously though, our safety department handles this kinda stuff pretty well. It's better to report it then to let it go. Help everyone else out and take a stand. Yea we don't have a union...okay.. so what now? Deal with it and do whatever you can to protect yourself and our pilots.
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Eh...why bother. Its not going to solve any problems. I went through a serious "chain of command" when I was getting tired of showing up to overnight and having to wait for hours on end to get authorization sent from the company. I went through the proper paths professionally and politely. The very next week I found myself once again waiting for a hotel.

This company is what it is, and I'm glad as hell to be leaving. To put it this way, I was going to leave one way or the other, I'm just lucky enough to be heading to another Airline job, otherwise I would have went and flown banners to get away from this place. Colgan SUCKS. Plain and simple. This company treats their pilots like s*** - bottom line. And for those of you that don't think its that bad, or think its going to improve, open your eyes and look at the parent company Pinnacle. They HAVE ALPA, yet they are fighting tooth and nail over there because PCL holdings dislikes PILOTS. They hate Pilots. They all think we're a bunch of whining, overpaid and underworked labor fools. Guess what?? Colgan IS a part of Pinnacle now. Even voting in ALPA won't drastically change things.

If you stay at Colgan for more then a year, I have a lot of respect for you for putting up with this place. Colgan without a doubt takes the fun out of this career. I was spending more time bent over, <....edited out....>at Colgan then I was at home spending time with my wife. Not worth it for the measly chump change they were paying me.

My next employer appears to be night and day compared to Colgan and many many Colgan pilots that now work there confirm that. I'm looking forward to it.
 
The best way to #### with scheduling at Colgan is to let the phone pick up all the calls. Then at 5am and call them and say "Im just checking in" then when they tell you to be at the airport for 545 tell them that you have an hour to get there according to Colgan and that it is impossible to get there in 45 minutes. Thats when a scheduler will knock on the glass on dispatch and say "Can you delay the flight for blah blah blah by 15 minutes" and dispatch says "We cant delay it, just figure something else out" hahahahah

-Rob
 
kellwolf said:
Depends on the contract. With PCL, they can call you in the middle of the night to let you know of a schedule change, and it's not considered "interrupting rest."
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Perhaps it's time for someone to stand up and say, "You've woken me up and I'm afraid that I won't be available for duty until 8 (reduced rest) hours from, umm, what time is it now?"
 
Doug Taylor said:
Perhaps it's time for someone to stand up and say, "You've woken me up and I'm afraid that I won't be available for duty until 8 (reduced rest) hours from, umm, what time is it now?"
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At which point you'll get an all expense paid trip to wherever your Chief Pilot hangs out and a long and detailed explanation of the FAA's interpretation of the "one contact" allowance with respect to rest.

The answer however is simple - you are not REQUIRED to be in contact with the company during a rest period (if you were then it wouldn't be a rest period). Therefore you do not need to answer your phone and there is no need to take action on people banging on your hotel door, or slipping pieces of paper under it UNTIL you duty on - and then you've got to do something.
 
Doug Taylor said:
Better tighten that up in your contract then.
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We have to GET a contract first. :)

Seriously, I just turn the ringer off, and leave the alarm on for the night on my cel phone. Either that, or I'll just turn the phone part off altogether (damn, I love the Treo). If I've got 4 million messages in the morning, that's their tough luck. The best was a CA that set his to forward calls from scheduling back to PCL switchboard.
 
I just don't answer my phone unless I'm on reserve. It's pretty funny to listen to your messages in the morning then. First they'll want you at the airport at 5 to deadhead to LGA. Then they call back and tell you to scratch that and show up at the airport because they're ferrying in a plane. Then they call back to deadhead you again. In the end I usually don't end up leaving the house.

I hate to talk on the phone though, which has really come in handy at this job.:D
 
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