A Load of BS.

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Very well put, Kristie... Now I guess it is "wait and see" time. Hopefully someone will man up and represent!!
 
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You mentioned Yankee One, so let's look at Yankee One as a *good* example of what upper management should be like on a forum like ours (the little people). Yankee One, from what I perceive (IMO), sees this site as his opportunity to look, listen, comment and assist the future aviator, just as we all do. As a business man, Doug and I respect him a great deal and applaud him for having the balls to continually come onto this site and listen to what the users have to say...even more so for staying on the site and speaking up about the questions and/or complaints that are brought up. We see Yankee One as a person, a JC member and as a business man but not as "DCA" because DCA is made of a team of people who all decide on how DCA will be run. Yankee One is the "foot in the door" so to speak because he speaks for "DCA" on this forum. so when the DCA forum has red flags in it, and they do usually for marketing as well, he makes it his responsibility to provide an answer for the team or find the answer - he takes the crap because it's part of his job to do so and we totally give him kudo's for that.


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Thanks Kristie I appreciate hearing that. FYI I won't be around much after the 23rd of next month. I'll be on a medical leave for about 3 months enjoying the pleasures of back surgery. If anyone has and good data on Spinal Fusions let me know. Happy Flying everyone and good luck Lima Charlie!!!
 
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Taken directly from the commercial written:

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Resignation — "What is the use?"
1) Example: A pilot and friends are going to fly to an out-of-town football game. When the passengers arrive, the pilot determines that the loaded airplane will be over the maximum gross weight for takeoff with the existing fuel load. A resignation attitude (reaction) by the pilot would be to think, "Well, nobody told me about the extra weight."


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Or in your case, you believe you can't change the marketing so you figure you just won't worry about it. That's BS, and I view that as an attitude problem because it shows to me that your'e a puss that won't stand up for anything that seems important at all. Furthermore, you're supporting a company that in a lot of people's view has stolen money from a decent amount of people.

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Thank you Dr. Gliem.
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Just took the commercial written. That's still fresh in my mind.
 
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We could talk about the Seminole plastered on the side of the hill in SoCal as a testament to how great your training is...if you´d like to go there?

Beyond that. I could care less about your school.

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I can not believe you're bringing up dead pilots in this arguement. What the bloody hell does this have to do with marketing? Have you read the NTSB report on this? Probably not. Now you are making me sick. You have taken this way to far. As I said before... just another example that Mr. UPS will do and say anything against Pan Am.

You may as well start attacking NASA for losing some astronauts.

My opinion of you, (for what it's worth) has just dropped to that of pond scum.

Un-friggin-believable.
 
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And for Kristie and Doug...
I think the fact that Mr.UPS "went there" on the dead pilots, should not be overlooked. It was totally uncalled for, and should make you as upset as I was when I read it.
 
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I read the NTSB briefs. I'm familiar with the area. I'm a CFII and have probably signed off at least 50 IFR ratings over the years....all of it in mountainous terrain. I used to work at LA TRACON, which is now SoCal approach. I'm an airline pilot and I used to be the ATC liason to my pilot group.

With all due respect to the pilots, many things can be learned from accidents when they happen. Does the accident have nothing to do with PanAm training? Like I said, if you want to go there, I'm game. Out of respect for the pilots, I can leave it alone. But I don't see how you can say the accident had nothing to do with PanAm training.

I'll leave it at that.
 
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YOU brought it up.
And I didn't say "it had nothing to do with training", I said "it had nothing to do with marketing", which is what this whole arguement is about. I even put it in bold. Geez!
 
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"And I didn't say "it had nothing to do with training"...

Fair enough. We'll agree that it did have something to do with training and leave it at that. When something like that happens you learn from it and move on. I'm sure PanAm changed some things after this accident, which is prudent.

General Aviation, that's little airplane stuff for you PanAM guys who are being trained as airline pilots from square one (as touted at your website), have taken many hits from silly lawsuits that has had an negative impact on the industry. It bothers me that the taxpayer (that's me...about 40K last year), has to bear the brunt of these sort of lawsuits. It damages the general aviation industry to have to defend itself from these sort of things.

Marketing...oh yeah, back to marketing. LC seems to think you guys changed some things at your website. I'll take a quick look tonight and report back.
 
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I agree w/ Turk... Don, that was a cheap shot, and I think you know it. I really thought you were above that kind of crap. I know you don't care, so that is why I am only spending enough time to type these three sentences...
 
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I tried to edit my post but it was too late. No need for me to mention how much federal tax I pay or that PanAm guys aren't into general aviation.

I get sick of frivolous lawsuits (I guess it's not a lawsuit yet) where the attorney's go for the deep pockets. If they don't get satisfaction out of the government they will come after PanAm, the students CFI's, the DE that passed the guys on their IFR checkrides, and Piper Aircraft Corporation. These sorts of things have done a lot of damage to the general aviation industry over the years.

And yeah...this has nothing to do with marketing....
 
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I tried to edit my post but it was too late. No need for me to mention how much federal tax I pay or that PanAm guys aren't into general aviation.

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Who are you actually talking about when you say Pan Am guys? Admin, or all the students and instructors?
Because if you are refering to us poor instructors, I myself am a member of Civil Air Patrol (CAP), AOPA, and EAA. So I really enjoy general aviation. But I cant say the same for my coworkers.
 
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I tried to edit my post but it was too late. No need for me to mention how much federal tax I pay or that PanAm guys aren't into general aviation.

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Who are you actually talking about when you say Pan Am guys? Admin, or all the students and instructors?
Because if you are refering to us poor instructors, I myself am a member of Civil Air Patrol (CAP), AOPA, and EAA. So I really enjoy general aviation. But I cant say the same for my coworkers.

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No Joke!! Where do you come up with some of this stuff?? You have no idea how many PA pilots are into general aviation. Just because our ambitions are not to be GA pilots forever, doesn't mean that we don't appreciate the general aviation industry.
 
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I don't really like PM's. Anything that one says in private should be able to be said at the forum. That's my opinion.

Before, when I said I couldn't find his screen name, I was using the search funtion. Subsequently, I noticed the "user list" link.

This is his most recent post:

"I stumbled across Pan Am Academy's website and saw that they're posting updates and have a hotline going. Now that's pretty cool... "

Meaning no disrespect, but isn't this a rather odd thing for your new marketing guru to say. Don't you think?
 
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