A little birdy/ExpressJet

Oh, I'm sure. Preaching to the choir, as usual, I am - as the choir are typically the only ones paying attention.

I'm more verklempt about some of the "lifers" I've flown with here, and recently, on the new airplane. They haven't yet fully assimilated that this isn't the Metroliner and FOs are not sacks of potatoes placed there for ballast. Disregard my Company culture problem and carry on! ;)
That's funny because in my small base there were 3 captains I WOULD NOT fly with. Terrible captains, terrible personalities, afraid of their own shadows, the list goes on. Sucks we can only bid avoid one at a time. But I don't have to bid avoid them anymore as they have all moved on to the...

...175.

Seeeeeeeeyyyyyyyyaaaaaaaaa!
 
That's funny because in my small base there were 3 captains I WOULD NOT fly with. Terrible captains, terrible personalities, afraid of their own shadows, the list goes on. Sucks we can only bid avoid one at a time. But I don't have to bid avoid them anymore as they have all moved on to the...

...175.

Seeeeeeeeyyyyyyyyaaaaaaaaa!
The nice thing about the Brasilia family is that after about a year, everyone knew everyone else, everyone knew who was coming on and leaving, and everyone knew who the "weird" uncles were. You pretty much already knew who you were jumping in with.

And yes, "THAT" Captain from that airframe is also on the new airframe. It's one of those horribly awkward "everyone knows about this clown, but he's not bad enough to get in trouble, just unpleasant." (Although I would suspect his behavior has been modified given the presence of FOQA, at least.)
 
I'm no expert, but I think the message is some look more at the qualitative and not specifically the quantitative.

A lot of guys solely focus on TPIC at all costs and then wonder why "magic" hasn't happened.

I know it's frustrating and mercurial what the industry is looking for and I hope I shed a little light on that.
 
I'm no expert, but I think the message is some look more at the qualitative and not specifically the quantitative.

A lot of guys solely focus on TPIC at all costs and then wonder why "magic" hasn't happened.

I know it's frustrating and mercurial what the industry is looking for and I hope I shed a little light on that.

This is the first sign, well, acknowledged at least, that they are actually looking (or saying they're looking) at other elements of one's experience besides just their "pilot" occupation.
 
I know it's frustrating and mercurial what the industry is looking for and I hope I shed a little light on that.

And for that, you get CAKE!

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Enjoy!
 
This is the first sign, well, acknowledged at least, that they are actually looking (or saying they're looking) at other elements of one's experience besides just their "pilot" occupation.

Heavily.

If the key was simply flight time, they could put a sign-up sheet in the employee parking lot and fill ground schools.

"Qualitative" is the new catchphrase going around these days.
 
I've been placed in the awkward position of "more experienced - at least in type - subordinate" several times this summer. One, in particular, fresh off IOE, shut me down forcefully on Day One; nothing non-SOP was said thereafter. Long week for other reasons too. Borderline ProStands call, actually. Murr. Two-event rule* not yet satisfied.


Other than the 2 lifers (and really, the most senior lifer REALLY did "get" it too) I flew with on the EM2, pretty much everyone on that airplane "got" it and treated you as a member of a team. And almost all of them are gone to better places too. Interestingly, the few other non-lifer guys who didn't "get" it also have moved on to "better" airlines, but I guess they get to learn how to be copilots again.

* I have a two-event rule for a-holes. Everyone has bad weeks.
Could you elaborate on how he shut you down? Do some of these older timers essentially try to fly single pilot?

I'm genuinely curious. Recent upgrade here, relatively low time as well. I sometimes wonder how I do as a captain and if I say the things I should say, etc, etc.
 
Go study.

And make sure you buy the right gender of hat!

Tried to talk the lady at the store into just selling me the scrambled eggs to glue onto the visor of my old one. She laughed and said the only thing my hat was good for was to class up the nearest garbage can!
 
The theory is that (a) they stuck it out, (b) they'd have been been captains under normal circumstances (it's not their fault), (c) a fantastic candidate is a fantastic candidate regardless of his seat.

YMMV.

As a senior captain on a senior airframe I fly with these guys all the time. I think the lowest seniority FO I've flown with since November has been here four years, and that was a reserve FO flying a few legs for a guy who used his commuter clause. The rest have been 6-8 year FO's.
All of them have been very good pilots and FO's. They are the type who know what needs to be done before you ask. They know how to read you within one leg and blend into your personality. Doing the Expressway Visual to LGA with strong winds out of the southwest is no big deal. Many know the airplane better than I do. Frankly, they make being a captain much easier than the old days in the ATR when I had to teach some FO's how to fly an airplane. ("You see that pointer thing inside a dial with numbers? Yeah, that's your airspeed indicator. See how the pointer thingy is winding down? Yeah, that's bad. If you don't fix it we'll get something called the "shacker" and I'm going to get really mad. So you need to put your left hand on the two big levers on the center pedestal. Yeah, those ones. Those are called your "condition levers". Yeah, please push them forward right now.")
I feel for these guys because I know the transition to the right seat of a 717, MadDog or 737 would not be a big deal. These guys/gals are better candidates for a legacy carrier than some pilot who upgraded in less than a year and has been a captain for one year.
 
That's pretty typical of a regional, from what I have seen, both at my own company and in the jumpseat. CAs at regionals tend to "disreguard" their FOs a lot more, or just completely blow them off. Granted, when I was a new hire with <100 hours in the airplane that is one thing. But it happened even after I was downgraded, and had more TT and TPIC in the thing than some of the CAs I was flying with. I will say almost to a "T", the guys who were great at CRM that I flew with are no longer with the company, they have moved on to bigger and better, while the guys that treated FOs as ballast are still there, most bitching about how they can't move on.

Things are very, very different at the major level from what I can tell. FOs opinions are actually acknowledged, even if the info is not acted upon. It's a refreshing change of pace from the regionals.

I think that depends on the regional, their training department and culture, though EVERY airline will have those captains who wind up on everyone's no fly list.
I had an FO who flew with "one of those captains" once. He saw a long Key West overnight in open time at a different base with this captain and thought, how bad can he be? His first inkling of how bad it would be was when the captain, during the intro, said, "You're the first non-reserve FO I've flown with in over a year."
 
Could you elaborate on how he shut you down? Do some of these older timers essentially try to fly single pilot?
Something like that, although it's more subtle. In the interest of background, nobody in SFO has much more than 1000 hours in type, and a lot of our Captains just coming on now don't have more than IOE in type. We also don't have the massively-prescriptive Way Of Doing Your Job that the CRJ and Brasilia have/had, because as it turns out, the guys who wrote our books haven't flown the airplane much. Many of our FOs in this base/type either came over from ORD or have been doing it since SF was opened, which gives us an experiential advantage on this airplane. (That is, it's no longer "what's it doing now" but "it's effin' doing it again" followed by a savage stab at the MCDU or GP.)

None of these things are in and of themselves bad. In fact, it's sort of nice in many ways, because you are given considerable latitude and creativity for getting the job done. And it's very much an opportunity to do a few cool things too.

Also, some of it (at least in last week's case) is my personality and my values. I don't say too much up front to start with; I more or less expect that the job is going to get done the way that The Man wants it done, and in places where The Man has failed to prescribe it, there are usually only one or two obvious and correct ways to solve the problem. It's generally harder (more work) to go outside of the standard or the commonly-accepted techniques (when there isn't a standard). I also put a personal emphasis on the "look, act, be sharp" and find that, more or less, the degree to which people appear professional directly relates to how seriously and professionally they approach their job. (So when you approach the aircraft in sneakers and with a baseball cap on, I'm going to scratch my head a bit and wonder what it is I'm going to have to do for the next four days. Turns out, a LOT.)

Straight up not acknowledging anything that I say (and it truly wasn't much other than a few ideas on how to better cajole the MCDU into doing What You Want It To Do And Not What You Are Typing Which Would Have Worked On That Other Stupid Airplane That You Keep Talking About Being Superior So Please Go Back To It Where They Have Checks Instead Of Checklists) is going to ruffle my feathers pretty severely. Even acknowledgement of "sure, but I'm going to do/try it this way" works, because at least I know you're listening. If all I get is a grunt, and you go about your business the way that you're doing it, I have little confidence that I'm going to be heard when it really matters.

Like here:

"Hey, it's going to level off at 7000 because you're in VNAV and the altitude selector is below a constraint. Want me to delete it for you (or select an appropriate vertical mode)?"
"grunt"
"Otto is going to level us off at 7000, and you want 5000."
"grunt"
"Select a non-VNAV mode, sir."
"grunt"
-BONG- (VTA/choo choo)
"grunt"
-ASEL, and level off- "WHAT IS THIS THING DOING [OTHER AIRPLANE] WOULD NOT HAVE LEVELED OFF?!"
"(aside: exactly what you asked it to do and exactly what I said it would do, Your Captaincy, please exercise better mode awareness!) VNAV off, FLIGHT LEVEL CHANGE [FPA] [VS]!" :fury::fury::fury:

So, basically, stuff like that. I apologize for the hint of "I told you so" (I've had my share of automation surprises on this airplane, don't get me wrong, and I screw up plenty, but when another pilot is going "hey! hey! hey!" I listen to them). It was a long week, between being asked for straight-out wrong/CRJ things at the wrong time, and a few other things I would consider to be "pay attention" issues too.

But, y'know, I'm "just" the copilot (exact words).

I'm genuinely curious. Recent upgrade here, relatively low time as well. I sometimes wonder how I do as a captain and if I say the things I should say, etc, etc.
I have obviously made an error in my career.

I think that depends on the regional, their training department and culture, though EVERY airline will have those captains who wind up on everyone's no fly list.
I had an FO who flew with "one of those captains" once. He saw a long Key West overnight in open time at a different base with this captain and thought, how bad can he be? His first inkling of how bad it would be was when the captain, during the intro, said, "You're the first non-reserve FO I've flown with in over a year."
"I'm sick."
 
That's pretty typical of a regional, from what I have seen, both at my own company and in the jumpseat. CAs at regionals tend to "disreguard" their FOs a lot more, or just completely blow them off. Granted, when I was a new hire with <100 hours in the airplane that is one thing. But it happened even after I was downgraded, and had more TT and TPIC in the thing than some of the CAs I was flying with. I will say almost to a "T", the guys who were great at CRM that I flew with are no longer with the company, they have moved on to bigger and better, while the guys that treated FOs as ballast are still there, most bitching about how they can't move on.

Things are very, very different at the major level from what I can tell. FOs opinions are actually acknowledged, even if the info is not acted upon. It's a refreshing change of pace from the regionals.

True that! Partially also has do with age and maturity. The average age of a CA at the regional I was flying at was predominantly in the 20s whereas at a major it's in the mid 40s to mid 50s.
 
True that! Partially also has do with age and maturity. The average age of a CA at the regional I was flying at was predominantly in the 20s whereas at a major it's in the mid 40s to mid 50s.
I am adamantly opposed to flows/SSP/whatever we're branding it as this week because of my experience working at regional airlines.
 
I am adamantly opposed to flows/SSP/whatever we're branding it as this week because of my experience working at regional airlines.

Gotta weed out the bad ones. The problem is all airline pilots think they are good to fly with but the reality is that conclusion rests with the fellow crewmember and it reflects true reality, not what one self-perceives. That's why airline interviews are geared towards group exercises and TMAAT questions.
 
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