A little birdy/ExpressJet

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A little birdy says that if you're a high-time first officer at ExpressJet, some airlines will theoretically give you "credit" for as much as 1000 TPIC because you otherwise would have been captain.

Apparently it looks better just to stick it out than leapfrog airlines in search of sweet, sweet TPIC.

Don't shoot the messenger and YMMV.
 
*cough* would the "little" birdy you are referring to actually be a very large, flightless avian of Australian origin?
 
Doug,
I think you've opened a can of worms even a cake can't solve.

The ensuing theory will be interesting to watch.
 
Nark said:
Doug,
I think you've opened a can of worms even a cake can't solve.

The ensuing theory will be interesting to watch.
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The theory is that (a) they stuck it out, (b) they'd have been been captains under normal circumstances (it's not their fault), (c) a fantastic candidate is a fantastic candidate regardless of his seat.

YMMV.
 
Derg said:
(c) a fantastic candidate is a fantastic candidate regardless of his seat.

YMMV.
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I suspect a lot of people think the magic formula is: if you can check these specific boxes you'll get called ASAP.

Not the case at all.

You've been saying for years what the magic formula is, but it falls on deaf ears.

It'll be interesting to see where this thread goes.
 
Baronman said:
Has somebody's son/daughter been stuck in the right seat as an XJT FO?
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"Someone [else's]" son is an FO.

That (genetics) matters nowhere near as much as you think it does in this process. All the legacy line gets you is the "look," and if you don't score enough, you don't get a call. The way it is.
 
surreal1221 said:
Certainly a number of us sitting around doing everything we can to position ourselves for the opportunity...
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I would like the process to better understand a truth that Kevin Garrison laid out in his CEO of the Cockpit column: you are a captain because your seniority can hold it, and not because there's something special or superior about you. Yes, you get to sign the book and yes you're the final authority, but this is a team effort ESPECIALLY when things go sideways.
 
surreal1221 said:
Thanks, and I am well aware of the team environment that is so vitally important to safety.
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Oh, I'm sure. Preaching to the choir, as usual, I am - as the choir are typically the only ones paying attention.

I'm more verklempt about some of the "lifers" I've flown with here, and recently, on the new airplane. They haven't yet fully assimilated that this isn't the Metroliner and FOs are not sacks of potatoes placed there for ballast. Disregard my Company culture problem and carry on! ;)
 
Autothrust Blue said:
Oh, I'm sure. Preaching to the choir, as usual, I am - as the choir are typically the only ones paying attention.

I'm more verklempt about some of the "lifers" I've flown with here, and recently, on the new airplane. They haven't yet fully assimilated that this isn't the Metroliner and FOs are not sacks of potatoes placed there for ballast. Disregard my Company culture problem and carry on! ;)
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What culture? Oh, the negative one that has existed since...oh...at least 2010 in my mind, August 4 to be more specific of 2010.

I didn't know you were here at XJT...C or E Are Jay?
 
surreal1221 said:
What culture? Oh, the negative one that has existed since...oh...at least 2010 in my mind, August 4 to be more specific of 2010.

I didn't know you were here at XJT...C or E Are Jay?
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No, I'm not, I'm talking about the other airline the holding company owns. ;)

Same issue.
 
Autothrust Blue said:
Oh, I'm sure. Preaching to the choir, as usual, I am - as the choir are typically the only ones paying attention.

I'm more verklempt about some of the "lifers" I've flown with here, and recently, on the new airplane. They haven't yet fully assimilated that this isn't the Metroliner and FOs are not sacks of potatoes placed there for ballast. Disregard my Company culture problem and carry on! ;)
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That's pretty typical of a regional, from what I have seen, both at my own company and in the jumpseat. CAs at regionals tend to "disreguard" their FOs a lot more, or just completely blow them off. Granted, when I was a new hire with <100 hours in the airplane that is one thing. But it happened even after I was downgraded, and had more TT and TPIC in the thing than some of the CAs I was flying with. I will say almost to a "T", the guys who were great at CRM that I flew with are no longer with the company, they have moved on to bigger and better, while the guys that treated FOs as ballast are still there, most bitching about how they can't move on.

Things are very, very different at the major level from what I can tell. FOs opinions are actually acknowledged, even if the info is not acted upon. It's a refreshing change of pace from the regionals.
 
wheelsup said:
That's pretty typical of a regional, from what I have seen, both at my own company and in the jumpseat. CAs at regionals tend to "disreguard" their FOs a lot more, or just completely blow them off. Granted, when I was a new hire with <100 hours in the airplane that is one thing. But it happened even after I was downgraded, and had more TT and TPIC in the thing than some of the CAs I was flying with. I will say almost to a "T", the guys who were great at CRM that I flew with are no longer with the company, they have moved on to bigger and better, while the guys that treated FOs as ballast are still there, most bitching about how they can't move on.

Things are very, very different at the major level from what I can tell. FOs opinions are actually acknowledged, even if the info is not acted upon. It's a refreshing change of pace from the regionals.
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The best tool a captain has is an well-engaged first officer.

Captains who "shut down" their FO's need a blanket party.
 
wheelsup said:
That's pretty typical of a regional, from what I have seen, both at my own company and in the jumpseat. CAs at regionals tend to "disreguard" their FOs a lot more, or just completely blow them off. Granted, when I was a new hire with <100 hours in the airplane that is one thing. But it happened even after I was downgraded, and had more TT and TPIC in the thing than some of the CAs I was flying with. I will say almost to a "T", the guys who were great at CRM that I flew with are no longer with the company, they have moved on to bigger and better, while the guys that treated FOs as ballast are still there, most bitching about how they can't move on.
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I've been placed in the awkward position of "more experienced - at least in type - subordinate" several times this summer. One, in particular, fresh off IOE, shut me down forcefully on Day One; nothing non-SOP was said thereafter. Long week for other reasons too. Borderline ProStands call, actually. Murr. Two-event rule* not yet satisfied.

Things are very, very different at the major level from what I can tell. FOs opinions are actually acknowledged, even if the info is not acted upon. It's a refreshing change of pace from the regionals.
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Other than the 2 lifers (and really, the most senior lifer REALLY did "get" it too) I flew with on the EM2, pretty much everyone on that airplane "got" it and treated you as a member of a team. And almost all of them are gone to better places too. Interestingly, the few other non-lifer guys who didn't "get" it also have moved on to "better" airlines, but I guess they get to learn how to be copilots again.

* I have a two-event rule for a-holes. Everyone has bad weeks.
 
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