A Hazmat too far?

No, not to far. I know, I know, it's the olympic falme. But I personally don't want an open flame inside anything I am flying. If I have to though, I sure would want someone who is trained in fighting fires to be sitting next to it, just in case.
 
Some are. RAF Northolt, EGWU, is used by civilian private jets going into the London area. $375+20%VAT to land the King Air there, so not too unreasonable.

Most airports were originally built as RAF stations but are now operated as private companies.

I got interested and started looking into other airports around London. Biggin Hill (EGKB) is another airport used for corporate travel, with 5900' of runway. Landing there is a reasonable $250. Add $79 to fly the ILS on the way in, $167 for handling, $81 for parking for more than 2 hours (this is per day), $24 per passenger, so around $650 in fees for our average visit. Be glad we don't need a GPU for start up at $76 or to fly in with a pet at $304!

London City Airport's charging scheme is too complicated to even begin with, but I note their 'Minimum Invoice' value is $2665. I guess if your fees are less than that it's free.... Right?

Maybe I'm picking airports that are too big... Oxford (EGTK), 50 miles away from London should be pretty cheap with only a 5000' runway. Landing is a bargain, at $184. Handling $142, Parking $61, and $47 for our ILS. Only $434 for the trip!

Strange how many English people come here to fly... :biggrin:
 
This is just the airport fees! The Euro Control user fees for enroute IFR services are calculated very simply by multiplying the square root of the airplanes weight in metric tonnes divided by 50, by the country specific charge amount in euros, which varies depending on the country you are overflying (84.47 for the UK), then multiplied by a distance factor derived from one hundredth of the distance enroute in kilometers. Then you add the tax which is dependent on the country you are overflying at the time, (20% for the UK). This is then the charge amount.

In Euros.

Thanks for bringing it up!
 
NickH said:
This is just the airport fees! The Euro Control user fees for enroute IFR services are calculated very simply by multiplying the square root of the airplanes weight in metric tonnes divided by 50, by the country specific charge amount in euros, which varies depending on the country you are overflying (84.47 for the UK), then multiplied by a distance factor derived from one hundredth of the distance enroute in kilometers. Then you add the tax which is dependent on the country you are overflying at the time, (20% for the UK). This is then the charge amount.

In Euros.

Thanks for bringing it up!
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Seriously, I can do the math, but that's what they came up with? You have to be a big league bureaucrat to come up with that.
 
Could you imagine flying freight if an ATC services of any kind cost money? If an approach cost even more?
There wouldn't be a single cloudy day in the NW.
 
.......a look ahead into what's coming to the National Airspace System near you! :)
 
MikeD said:
.......a look ahead into what's coming to the National Airspace System near you! :)
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At the cost of insane amounts of safety. I predict accidents due to VFR into IMC skyrocket.

Do I spend $400 and get the ils, or just shoot this little approach I built with my gps the other day?

It won't be remotely safe to fly under about 15k. Even if you're IFR, the amount of airplanes flying around in IMC squawking 1200 will be scary.
 
z987k said:
At the cost of insane amounts of safety. I predict accidents due to VFR into IMC skyrocket.

Do I spend $400 and get the ils, or just shoot this little approach I built with my gps the other day?

It won't be remotely safe to fly under about 15k. Even if you're IFR, the amount of airplanes flying around in IMC squawking 1200 will be scary.
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Eh. I already had a freight pilot who was a little irritated tell me the tower wouldn't let him have a visual. It was only about 300-1.
 
msmspilot said:
Eh. I already had a freight pilot who was a little irritated tell me the tower wouldn't let him have a visual. It was only about 300-1.
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Depends on a lot of things, but I've taken a visual before when the ATIS is reporting IFR. If I truly have it, then I'd be pissed to.
 
z987k said:
Depends on a lot of things, but I've taken a visual before when the ATIS is reporting IFR. If I truly have it, then I'd be pissed to.
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Oh, no. I had landed a few minutes before. This was NOWHERE close to visual.

This guy asks for and gets a visual on days when the rest of us are shooting approaches. All the time.
 
Nick H you forgot the wind fee - a standard number minus the cross wind component. If you have a direct headwind you pay more, a gusty cross wind you have less. This fee was initiated to help increase airport safety.
 
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