a few general questions..

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Philip

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Which book are you guys teaching out of?
I've always used the jepp, but if there's something cheaper out there I'm all for it. Especially since I loaned out my jepp and didn't get it back so I'll have to buy a new one shortly. Good time to switch since I need to study a bit anyway.

Also, are any of you using some sort of TCO or syllabus? I never actually had to write my own, and going lesson plan to lesson plan seems disorganized to me. Maybe it's the OCD in me coming out, not having something to tell me what I should do next :o


Lastly, how many of you cut shirts? :nana2:
 
Philip said:
Which book are you guys teaching out of?
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Jeppesen for all training. At least that's what the ground school courses at my college use. I supplement it for students with a little of everything...other books, magazine articles, old photocopied handouts, whatever.

Philip said:
Also, are any of you using some sort of TCO or syllabus?
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Jeppesen Syllabus for private students, my school's outline for instrument students, and my own ideas for commercial students. The Jepp syllabus is good, but as has been mentioned before, is overly optimistic on time needed for each lesson. Plan on taking about 1.5 hours to cover 1.0 hours in the Jepp syllabus.

Philip said:
Lastly, how many of you cut shirts? :nana2:
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Never have. Maybe that's because I never had my shirt cut. I don't know.
 
see, I had mine cut, and can't wait to whip out the scissors :o

in fact, at my FBO they cut it, took a pic, and stapled it to the wall, then you got it back when you finished your checkride.

Damn I hate to give jepp any more money, that damn PPT book is like 100 bucks. Wish I still got the employee discount. Grr.
 
Really I only use FAA approved materials. The jep books have a lot of good info but it really goes into more detail than needed and the FAA only cares about whats in the list at the beginning of the PTS. For private pilot, if it its not in the AFH, PHAK, AIM, FAR, etc. Than it shouldn't matter. I have the jepp book but only use a couple photocopied pictures to help a student if they are having trouble understanding things (jepp has a great weight shift picture that I use). Wish I hadn't spent the 80 bucks on the book back in the day really... Just my 2 cents.

-Aaron Griffith
 
BZNflyer248 said:
Really I only use FAA approved materials. The jep books have a lot of good info but it really goes into more detail than needed and the FAA only cares about whats in the list at the beginning of the PTS. For private pilot, if it its not in the AFH, PHAK, AIM, FAR, etc. Than it shouldn't matter. I have the jepp book but only use a couple photocopied pictures to help a student if they are having trouble understanding things (jepp has a great weight shift picture that I use). Wish I hadn't spent the 80 bucks on the book back in the day really... Just my 2 cents.

-Aaron Griffith
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Uhhh, UND materials and the UND TCO, and the UND ground school etc etc.Teaching in a structured 141 environment and fending for yourself as a freelance are two different things, something I think UND has done a woefully inadequate job preparing me for.


IMO, the point of a text, or DVD ground school is to present the information in a more accessible manner. I can't tell a part 61 student to "read the FAR-AIM" and expect them to absorb, oh, anything IMO. The newer AFH is a little better, but it still needs to be supplimented.

sorry if I seem short, in a crappy mood. See customs thread, heh.
 
To suppliment some income and generate more students, I started a private pilot grouind school at one of my last schools I worked for. Each student bought the kit that Jepp puts out and I bought a CD-ROM with all of the images from the Jepp book and We projected the images on a big screen. When I work one on one with a student I have them use the FAA books unless they already bought the Jepp kit.
 
I have done some instructing outside of the UND TCO and I would deffintily agree its a whole different ballgame, however in my expirience I've just found the FAA books are just as easy to understand (if not more so) and are more clear and concise. I'm sure there are many out there that would disagree - thats cool. Each to his own I guess. I've not done a lot of pt. 61 instruction comparatively, however my instructors always stressed having a gameplan and going off of FAA materials. In my CFI and CFII groundschools I had to make a TCO anyway - so in that respect I don't feel UND did any worse that other schools would when preparing a CFI. Just my opinion though - good luck with the training! It IS too bad though that we don't normally cut shirts here.... it deffinitly makes it less personal and its fun to hold onto some time honored CFI traditions.

-Aaron
 
You made a TCO?
We did nothing of the sort in II and I think we MIGHT have had to hand in some sort of list in CFI, nothing substantial.
 
I tend to lean towards the FAA books since they have essentially the same info and are a lot cheaper. In fact, I went to show someone a "pretty picture" that was in the Jepp Instrument book, and it was the EXACT same picture from the Instrument Flying Handbook. Jepp has a lot of good filler information, but you can find all the basics you need in the FAA books. For the 141 stuff, I have to use the Cessna CPC syllabus, but it's not that bad, really. For the Part 61, I sorta use my own hodge podge of the Jepp and the CPC syllabus.
 
kellwolf said:
I tend to lean towards the FAA books since they have essentially the same info and are a lot cheaper. In fact, I went to show someone a "pretty picture" that was in the Jepp Instrument book, and it was the EXACT same picture from the Instrument Flying Handbook. Jepp has a lot of good filler information, but you can find all the basics you need in the FAA books. For the 141 stuff, I have to use the Cessna CPC syllabus, but it's not that bad, really. For the Part 61, I sorta use my own hodge podge of the Jepp and the CPC syllabus.
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Yeah, a lot of the diagrams get recycled since hte gvt. publications are public domain.
some day I'll take the AFH and copy/paste it into a new book with lots of pretty pictures from other government handouts and sell it for 80 bucks a pop. :)

the gleim books use them a lot too, I seem to remember using some gleim images for my lesson plans.
 
[FONT=&quot]I have a pretty complete library from the FAA, Jepps, ASA, and others. I mostly use Jepps, but that is only because most students I have had preferred it. I show new students the options and nine times out of ten they want the Jepps text. The other person seems to want FAA only because they are cheaper.

I personally like having all the sources and I really don’t care what the student wants to work from as long as it’s one of the major ones mentioned above. If I could have only one I would probably have to go with the Jepps text for PPL training. There is some extra fluff in there, but in general it is well done and thorough. I like the FAA texts more as references as I personally find them a bit dry to read from and for that reason I never used them when I was a student.[/FONT][FONT=&quot][/FONT]
 
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