A.D.S.-B.Technology

People have been saying that ADS-B has been saving lives in south east, and west alaska for years, that's not true. It's the installation of modern terrain awareness and good gps's that have done it, the ability to see other airplanes is just an added bonus.
 
ppragman said:
People have been saying that ADS-B has been saving lives in south east, and west alaska for years, that's not true. It's the installation of modern terrain awareness and good gps's that have done it, the ability to see other airplanes is just an added bonus.
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I'd agree with that. I would like to see the number of CFIT accidents and number of mid-air's and how they dropped in relation to technology. I bet you the CFIT drop is much better as GPS's became more widespread...
 
The thing that drives me crazy with ADS-B and "Next Gen" is that by the time they implement it the technology will be obsolete. They keep moving so slow and in the process, Garmin just adds a traffic feature, or synthetic vision, and my 172 becomes a video game, while this guys tinkers with his little TV in the back of a "Global 5000"
 
29.92inHg said:
The thing that drives me crazy with ADS-B and "Next Gen" is that by the time they implement it the technology will be obsolete. They keep moving so slow and in the process, Garmin just adds a traffic feature, or synthetic vision, and my 172 becomes a video game, while this guys tinkers with his little TV in the back of a "Global 5000"
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In our implementation of ADS-B we have full synthetic vision with terrain awareness. "Fly through the green boxes."
 
ppragman said:
People have been saying that ADS-B has been saving lives in south east, and west alaska for years, that's not true. It's the installation of modern terrain awareness and good gps's that have done it, the ability to see other airplanes is just an added bonus.
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While I'll absolutely agree that the primary benefit of the Capstone (both I and II) installations is terrain awareness, all of my close calls with other traffic have been with non-Capstone aircraft. Also, in planes like BET you have a lot of traffic moving in and out of one airport with not much terrain involved; people might have a bit of a different opinion out there.

ppragman said:
In our implementation of ADS-B we have full synthetic vision with terrain awareness. "Fly through the green boxes."
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Except we can make the boxes go straight through a mountain.... D'oh!
 
TallFlyer said:
While I'll absolutely agree that the primary benefit of the Capstone (both I and II) installations is terrain awareness, all of my close calls with other traffic have been with non-Capstone aircraft. Also, in planes like BET you have a lot of traffic moving in and out of one airport with not much terrain involved; people might have a bit of a different opinion out there.


Except we can make the boxes go straight through a mountain.... D'oh!
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How many close calls have you had since you've been flying Capstone here?
 
ppragman said:
How many close calls have you had since you've been flying Capstone here?
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Well last week the dude with the 206 up the canal gave me quite a scare just before sawmill......

But quite frankly very few, probably could count it on one hand, which is amazing given the amount of traffic moving around.
 
TallFlyer said:
Well last week the dude with the 206 up the canal gave me quite a scare just before sawmill......

But quite frankly very few, probably could count it on one hand, which is amazing given the amount of traffic moving around.
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That wasn't Drake was it?

That's kind of what I was thinking its a big sky out there. There were never even really that many mid-airs before this stuff started to be introduced. It was CFIT that nailed guys, now people can chug along in sub VFR at 500' and survive instead of before where they have to go lower and lower and lower and lower and lower and DAMMIT TREES!
 
ppragman said:
That wasn't Drake was it?

That's kind of what I was thinking its a big sky out there. There were never even really that many mid-airs before this stuff started to be introduced. It was CFIT that nailed guys, now people can chug along in sub VFR at 500' and survive instead of before where they have to go lower and lower and lower and lower and lower and DAMMIT TREES!
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Afirm. I was coming in for 26 and all of a sudden he was right in front of me going right to left about 100' below me and close. Didn't answer the radio or nothing.....

And yes, for the guys that know how to use the stuff we've more or less engineered CFIT out of the equation. And yes, the other traffic that you can see on the box is a no brainer as well...... It's the guys without it (which admittedly are few and far between) that have the biggest potential to be bad news, especially because it's really easy on our part to be very much inside.
 
TallFlyer said:
Afirm. I was coming in for 26 and all of a sudden he was right in front of me going right to left about 100' below me and close. Didn't answer the radio or nothing.....

And yes, for the guys that know how to use the stuff we've more or less engineered CFIT out of the equation. And yes, the other traffic that you can see on the box is a no brainer as well...... It's the guys without it (which admittedly are few and far between) that have the biggest potential to be bad news, especially because it's really easy on our part to be very much inside.
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Totally true.

Did you holler at em' then or was he not talking at all. Don't worry though, the new guy operating the snow-thrower at GST this morning wasn't listening, so I had to go around cuz he wouldn't clear.
 
ASpilot2be said:
Nice. He must be doing well.
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I'd think so, only him and Paul really offer that kind of service, and I'm not sure of how well the bushhawk compares to the 185 or the 206 for some of their work, so it seems like the market is fairly well taken care of.
 
ppragman said:
I'd think so, only him and Paul really offer that kind of service, and I'm not sure of how well the bushhawk compares to the 185 or the 206 for some of their work, so it seems like the market is fairly well taken care of.
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That and Paul isnt around in the winter. From what I have heard the 185 was better than the Bushhawk.
 
ASpilot2be said:
That and Paul isnt around in the winter. From what I have heard the 185 was better than the Bushhawk.
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I think you're right. From what I've heard the Bushhawk is fine if you want 206 performance with a 207 load and a tailwheel, but nothing really matches the 185 for off airport operations of that kind of caliber.
 
ppragman said:
I think you're right. From what I've heard the Bushhawk is fine if you want 206 performance with a 207 load and a tailwheel, but nothing really matches the 185 for off airport operations of that kind of caliber.
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Yep. The Bushhawk is way overpriced compared to the 185.
 
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