A Cut Above Leather Jacket?

As they are made by Cockpit USA (which used to sell leather flight jackets under the name "Avirex", both to the USAF and to the commercial market), I imagine they are substantially similar in quality to their USAF A-2 contract jackets.

The front pockets and the geometry/skin pattern of the sleeves appear to be nearly the same as the issue A-2 design to my eyes.

I have had a USAF-issued Avirex A-2 since the late 90s and have worn the crap out of it. In fact, I've sort of intentionally mistreated it over the years, worn frequently in and out of the cockpit, gotten soaked wearing it out in the pouring rain, worn in the freezing cold, left it in the car when it was hot and cold, worn it when I was in situations where it would get scuffed up, etc. I've always heard that generally accepted theory about a pilot's leather jacket being tough as nails, and I kind of perversely figured that since I didn't pay for my USAF issue jacket out-of-pocket, I wouldn't feel as guilty mistreating it as I would if I'd bought it myself.

My review is that Cockpit USA makes a very good jacket that will withstand all kinds of abuse. On my heavily-used jacket the skins are still 100% solid, the seams are all still rock solid, the snaps/zippers/fasteners are still perfect, and the elastic on the cuffs and waistband is all still good. For most of the years I've had it, it actually still looked pretty close to new -- it is only in the last 4-5 years or so that it has really started to take on the weathered look (which I think is pretty cool, personally). For comparison, I posted a couple pics of the jacket in a thread back in 2008:
Military air crews - question about current A2 jacket issue

The attached photo amplifies the differences in pigment between the heavily worn parts of the jacket and the lesser worn ones -- it doesn't look that heavily worn in person.

Either way...if the Cut Above jacket is anything like the Avirex issued jacket, I'd say it is a high quality product.
 

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You're lucky @Hacker15e ...I was issued the "non-leather" version, which is substantially lower in quality. Would not purchase.

I've heard a lot of good things about Pop's Leather, which is where some of my friends got theirs. $375 for the A-2.
 
You're lucky @Hacker15e ...I was issued the "non-leather" version, which is substantially lower in quality. Would not purchase.

For the thread derail, it is real goatskin leather...and BL with the Cut Above jacket, since it will be made with imported goatskin, it should not suffer from the same plastic-y look and feel that the post-2007 USAF issue jackets have.

From a post I made on BaseOps (note bolded part):
http://www.flyingsquadron.com/forums/topic/1192-leather-flight-jacket/page-3#entry293222
Although the leather on the current 2007 contract Cockpit USA jackets is certainly ugly looking, I assure you it is not "fake leather" -- it is legit goatskin.

A couple years ago, the rules for DoD suppliers changed, forcing the skins for the jackets to be sourced domestically rather than from overseas (traditionally, A-2s and G-1s of the last 20-30 years have been made from African imported goatskin). I don't know anything about species of goats in the US vs Africa, but apparently the skins from here at home aren't exactly prime...hence what you're seeing on the current issue jackets. There have been LOTS of complaints about them, mostly about the peeling and cracking, that have been channeled back up the supply system. Who knows if there will be any change in supplier or quality in the future.

If you want to buy one that you can wear with your uniform, the ones Cockpit USA (used to be Avirex, who has been making USAF contract A-2s since 1998 or so) sells commercially are sourced from overseas skins and look considerably better. US Wings bought up the old Cooper jacket operation and sells a nice "current-issue" spec jacket as well. The Cockpit USA and US Wings jackets won't have the velcro on them unless you specifically order it that way. The Mr Lim's and Pop's Leather options are good too -- probably the best option if you don't care about the authenticity of the jacket and want some of the custom options and a nice fit.

If you want to try and salvage your issued A-2 with the domestic skins, here's my advice (which I've successfully used several times and had numerous squadron bros use to good effect):
FWIW, if you want to try and 'save' your issued jacket, you can help make it less ugly by a couple trips through the washing machine. Set it on 'cold', with no detergent, and put it through the wash. When it's done, let it air dry for several days laying flat on the floor on a towel (you can also stuff a towel inside the zipped jacket to help dry the inside out. Make sure the collar is shaped correctly (with the fold at the correct spot and straight with no wrinkles), else it will stay however it sat once it dries. Don't hang it up until it's dry inside and out. Once or twice during the drying, put the jacket on and wear it around for a little while while watching tv or sitting on the computer -- it will help the leather shape to your arms. It shouldn't stretch or shrink during this process so long as you don't use hot water or the dryer. If any of the leather cracks/peels during this process, you're outta luck -- it would have happened anyway, nothing you can do about it.

If you're able to get your hands on some leather conditioner (high quality stuff like Pecard's or Lexol...not the Meguiars or Armor All wipes you find at WalMart), wipe the whole outside of the jacket down after it's air dried. Even better if you can take the time while sitting there watching TV to hand-massage the conditioner into the leather, rolling the skin between your fingers. It will make the leather much softer and pliable...and won't look nearly as • as it does when initially issued. The leather flight jacket aficionados do this hand-massage conditioner routine with their new jackets (some of them do the wash, too) to break them in with a lot of success.

I've done this process with several A-2s and G-1s (including some no-kidding vintage jackets) with no problems. If you're just going to throw your issued jacket in the closet to never wear again, I recommend at least trying it to see if you can salvage it.
 
While we're on the subject of decent uniform pieces, anybody recommend a good place for hats? I remember at Colgan we had the standard issue M&H Hat, but some guys went to a third party place and the hat looked amazing. Made me actually want one. Starting at a new shop in 2 weeks that requires the hat (or at least ive noticed alot of the pilot group wears them, so im assuming.)

Anyone know a good third party place that makes a quality hat?
 
For the thread derail, it is real goatskin leather...and BL with the Cut Above jacket, since it will be made with imported goatskin, it should not suffer from the same plastic-y look and feel that the post-2007 USAF issue jackets have.

From a post I made on BaseOps (note bolded part):
http://www.flyingsquadron.com/forums/topic/1192-leather-flight-jacket/page-3#entry293222


If you want to try and salvage your issued A-2 with the domestic skins, here's my advice (which I've successfully used several times and had numerous squadron bros use to good effect):

Thanks! I'll have to give this a shot when I get back stateside.

Here's the condition of mine- you can see the left/right sides have completely different wear/grain patterns, and the left side has the typical "less than desirable" wearing. This would be a jacket from ~2007.

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Thanks! I'll have to give this a shot when I get back stateside.

Here's the condition of mine- you can see the left/right sides have completely different wear/grain patterns, and the left side has the typical "less than desirable" wearing. This would be a jacket from ~2007.

xnHBy2w.jpg

I thought the name was sum ting wong.
 
While we're on the subject of decent uniform pieces, anybody recommend a good place for hats? I remember at Colgan we had the standard issue M&H Hat, but some guys went to a third party place and the hat looked amazing. Made me actually want one. Starting at a new shop in 2 weeks that requires the hat (or at least ive noticed alot of the pilot group wears them, so im assuming.)

Anyone know a good third party place that makes a quality hat?

Your new shop uses Superior Hats which are ordered through Crew Outfitters. The hats are nice but the chin strap is a weird color. The rest of the uniform is the same as the old Colgan. Also, don't order your epaulets through Crew Outfitters as they have switched to a new design that looks awful about 2/3rds the size of the normal epaulet.
 
Pops is the best, IMO. Custom fit jacket, and quick turnaround. Leather is soft and better quality than Perrone jackets I have seen and felt .
 
While we're on the subject of decent uniform pieces, anybody recommend a good place for hats? I remember at Colgan we had the standard issue M&H Hat, but some guys went to a third party place and the hat looked amazing. Made me actually want one. Starting at a new shop in 2 weeks that requires the hat (or at least ive noticed alot of the pilot group wears them, so im assuming.)

Anyone know a good third party place that makes a quality hat?
I am very fond of my Crew Outfitters hat. I used to have an M&H hat, which was too "Da, comrade" for my head. The Crew Outfitters one is very sharp, I think.

Congrats on working at a place where they're required ;)
 
Unrelated, I happened to be on VA ave. in ATL today. Ducked in to crew outfitters and their previous model Crew Outfitters shirts are on sale for $12.99. Doesn't seem to be the highest quality, but for that price it was hard not to pick a couple up.
 
Unrelated, I happened to be on VA ave. in ATL today. Ducked in to crew outfitters and their previous model Crew Outfitters shirts are on sale for $12.99. Doesn't seem to be the highest quality, but for that price it was hard not to pick a couple up.

I snagged one last month. I'm pretty sure it's made out of burlap.
 
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