WalterSobchak
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You'll get 1.5 times the normal rate for that.
Set the power via the FMS. Keep pulling it back till the FMS says what you want for an arrival time. Flaps 7 is optional.
9L, 9E, XJ JCBA Actual Language
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You'll get 1.5 times the normal rate for that.
Set the power via the FMS. Keep pulling it back till the FMS says what you want for an arrival time. Flaps 7 is optional.
v1valarob
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At 9E, when you look on your schedule, there's a "block time" listing, which is your scheduled out and in times. The "leg value" (which to me seems to be the same as SATs in the JCBA) is your "credit," which is normally different than the scheduled block. MOST of the time it varies by minutes. In the winter if you're doing something like DTW-ERI, it's gonna be scheduled longer in order to accomodate de-icing. If it weren't, the flight be would late by DOT rules most of the time. The leg value/SAT doesn't change since it's based off an average of the past year (or 6 months in the new case). So, you're crediting LESS than the scheduled block. Under 9E's current contract, you get hosed unless you fly leg value + 15 minutes, then your clock starts again. The JCBA fixes this issue. If you fly over the SAT (which if you're de-icing is almost a certainty), you get paid whatever you fly over that amount. It may be less than the block in minues the block out time, though.
Example:
Dep Dest Out In Block Credit
DTW ERI 1200 115 1:15 1:00
The above leg would have a block time of 1:15, but the credit would be an hour based off the history of the leg flown on average. If you fly more than an 1:00, you get paid whatever you fly. If you fly 00:50, get paid 1:00. Even our PBS results have different results for scheduled block and credit.
I'm not sure how other airlines do it, but I know that scheduled block times at 9E are historically longer in the winter than in the summer to account for de-icing and winds. Would make sense for it to just be the same scheduled block year round, but like I said, in the winter, it would make most of the flights habitually late except for maybe out of MEM, ATL and IAH. Then they'll just cancel them if they have to de-ice.
That's jacked. At 9L whatever your block is, your credit is.
v1valarob
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What's an FMS?
Baronman
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I'm not sure how other airlines do it, but I know that scheduled block times at 9E are historically longer in the winter than in the summer to account for de-icing and winds. Would make sense for it to just be the same scheduled block year round, but like I said, in the winter, it would make most of the flights habitually late except for maybe out of MEM, ATL and IAH. Then they'll just cancel them if they have to de-ice.
At XJT if EWR to BDL is showing OUT-1200 IN-1330 we're getting paid 1:30 or better. If we go over on this flight and under on the return leg, we still get to keep our "overs." Block is block, we won't get paid less then that.
WalterSobchak
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That's how old Mesaba does it and thats how Pinnasaba will be too. Hence Block or Better.
v1valarob
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I cant believe a contract was ever voted in that would allow otherwise.
WalterSobchak
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Exactly! (Obvious post )
3enginejock
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Can someone correct me if I am wrong but if I am reading the TA correctly min day pay does not apply to people that hold reserve lines of any kind.
G. Reserve Pay
1. A reserve day that is built into a Reserve Line will not have a minimum daily
value.
2. A Pilot holding a Build-Up, CDO, or a Regular Line who is assigned to a reserve
day will be credited in accordance with paragraph B. or H., if applicable, or for
3.86 hours, whichever is greater, for each reserve day.
All I can say is I am NOT happy about that.
G. Reserve Pay
1. A reserve day that is built into a Reserve Line will not have a minimum daily
value.
2. A Pilot holding a Build-Up, CDO, or a Regular Line who is assigned to a reserve
day will be credited in accordance with paragraph B. or H., if applicable, or for
3.86 hours, whichever is greater, for each reserve day.
All I can say is I am NOT happy about that.
Cruise
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turbojet28
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3enginejock,
I think what that means is that if you sit home reserve and aren't called, you don't get 4 hours of pay credit. Seems to make sense. You would still get your guarantee, obviously, but you don't get 4 hours pay credit unless you actually are assigned flying. If you aren't getting a 4 hour credit for ready reserve, then that's a disappointment. I haven't really had much time to read through the document.
The 4 hour min day will still benefit reserves because even if you don't block close to 75 hours for the month you stand a good chance of breaking guarantee at least by a little. This is because if you fly on 20 days out of a 31 day bid period you will credit at least 80 hours regardless of your actual block. Better than what Pinnacle has right now, that's for sure. A typical month for me as a reserve has me flying every single day I am assigned reserve duty, but blocking only 60 hours due to the inherently inefficient flying assigned to reserves.
I think what that means is that if you sit home reserve and aren't called, you don't get 4 hours of pay credit. Seems to make sense. You would still get your guarantee, obviously, but you don't get 4 hours pay credit unless you actually are assigned flying. If you aren't getting a 4 hour credit for ready reserve, then that's a disappointment. I haven't really had much time to read through the document.
The 4 hour min day will still benefit reserves because even if you don't block close to 75 hours for the month you stand a good chance of breaking guarantee at least by a little. This is because if you fly on 20 days out of a 31 day bid period you will credit at least 80 hours regardless of your actual block. Better than what Pinnacle has right now, that's for sure. A typical month for me as a reserve has me flying every single day I am assigned reserve duty, but blocking only 60 hours due to the inherently inefficient flying assigned to reserves.
All the book says is charted is the maximum power you are supposed to fly at. Nothing about having to fly at it though... Long-range cruise speed when not behind schedule is the way to go
And to touch on 3 engine jocks question and go a little deeper, currently we get a 2 hours credit for reserve days if we aren't assigned work. Is that credit going away?
WalterSobchak
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Currently you get 2 hours of credit on top of guarantee or if you call in sick they deduct 2 hours? If you aren't getting 2 hours on top of guarantee then your reserve is not worth 2 hours(which I doubt you are). When your check(if you get paid???) says min guarantee reserve isn't worth anything.
For the most part you are correct.
SlumTodd_Millionaire
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On the scheduled average block, you guys are getting the best of both worlds. In most contracts "block or better" means you get the actual block time or the block time that the company originally scheduled. What that means is that the block time can be adjusted by the company seasonally. With an average block mandated by the CBA, you guys avoid that issue, which means you'll probably get paid more than someone at a carrier with traditional "block or better." It's probably a tiny difference, maybe 0.2%, but every bit helps.
That's a standard provision for any contract. A reserve day on which you're not assigned anything does not have an inherent credit value associated with it. But, if you do fly, you get credited with the min day. Nothing to worry about.
That's a standard provision for any contract. A reserve day on which you're not assigned anything does not have an inherent credit value associated with it. But, if you do fly, you get credited with the min day. Nothing to worry about.
If we don't fly at all for a month while on reserve, we will have accumulated 2 hours of credit for each day of scheduled reserve. So if it was a 20 day month, you will have 40 hours of credit and be payed for 75. If you were to be activated on 19 of those 20 days and credit 77 hours and werent activated for one day of reserve you will get that 2 hours of credit on top of that 77 hours.
Tram
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You'll still get at least 75 hours of pay - whether you fly 3 minutes or 99.9 hours..
no
Tram
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Um, yes.
Your example was speaking about a reserve pilot, correct?
If you fly 3 minutes.. You get 75 hours pay..
If you fly 99.9 hours you get 75 hours + 24.9 hours pay..
You still get at least 75 hours pay..
1. You never said "at least". You said it as if you will get paid for 75 even if you credited 99.9
2. I don't have any idea what your point even is.
Tram
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Oh.. Wow.. Semantics 101, I guess.. Maybe a touch of Argument for Arguments Sake 206.. Obviously if you credit 99.9 hours, that is what you will be paid..
My bad, I assumed you understood the basics.. That'll teach me..
Still no reason for your post in the first place