767 Rough Landing

jtrain609 said:
I'm sure you can, it's just that every video that guy has put out shows every aircraft landing in a crab no matter what it is, so I tend to think of it as a technique employed over there in the training pipeline.
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When I did my JAA commercial pilot's license in the UK, my instructor told me "Whatever you do, don't do a forward slip to landing. I did that and I got roasted by the examiner." Anyways, on my flight test, I did the wing low method on a crosswind and the examiner brought it up in the debrief and said that I need to start doing the crab and kick method ...:rolleyes:
 
Weather has been AWFUL in Northern Europe lately with horrible crosswinds and rain. Finding alternates with wind in limits has been difficult.

On one occasion last week we held for 40 minutes at destination waiting for the wind to abate, and got in 5 minutes before we were off to the alternate. We then waited nearly 2 hours for the wind to get below takeoff limits. Our limits - 30 to land and 25 to depart on a wet runway.
 
He got center line on the 2nd bounce. That's good in my book; I have seen much, much worse.
 
pressclick said:
It looks like the spoilers start to deploy before the 2nd/final touchdown. Is that bad?
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One of the 767 guys can speak to spoiler logic, but all spoilerd airplanes have it. If certain criteria is met, the spoilers deploy. They touched down the first time, whatever it was, they met it so even though they bounced the airplane threw them out anyway. On the RJ the only way they will stow (initially) is with thrust lever advancement. If you don't then no matter what the plane does, the boards are coming out. Same thing happened here. To answer your question about being bad...no and maybe. If you bounce a little, then you will get a form second touchdown as seen in the video. If you really bounce and the boards come out, you could potentially damage the aircraft when it turns into a brick.
 
If the spoiler logic is the same as the 73, flight spoilers deploy when any MLG strut compresses, and ground spoilers when the right MLG strut compresses. There are other criteria too (RA<10, TL Idle, Speedbrake armed). They auto-stow if you advance the thrust levers.
 
Pilotdude3407 said:
If you really bounce and the boards come out, you could potentially damage the aircraft when it turns into a brick.
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That was the concern behind my question. And I assume a go around would be impossible if the 2nd landing was looking really ominous assuming that is even possible in a large aircraft at that stage (Im obviously not a jet pilot).
 
They all look GREAT to me, whats that old saying " a good landing is one you can walk away from and a great landing is one where you can use the aircraft again"
 
Pilotdude3407 said:
One of the 767 guys can speak to spoiler logic, but all spoilerd airplanes have it. If certain criteria is met, the spoilers deploy. They touched down the first time, whatever it was, they met it so even though they bounced the airplane threw them out anyway. On the RJ the only way they will stow (initially) is with thrust lever advancement. If you don't then no matter what the plane does, the boards are coming out. Same thing happened here. To answer your question about being bad...no and maybe. If you bounce a little, then you will get a form second touchdown as seen in the video. If you really bounce and the boards come out, you could potentially damage the aircraft when it turns into a brick.
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Not a 767 guy, but air/ground sensor plus wheel spin up to certain mph?
 
In the 767, if they're armed, it's truck tilt angle combined with the thrust levers at idle. It appears that they didn't deploy during the first touchdown (probably still had thrust in), but only the flight spoilers came out during the bounce. It looks to me like someone in the cockpit manually moved the lever to "up."

Just a guess.
 
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dasleben said:
In the 767, if they're armed, it's truck tilt angle combined with the thrust levers at idle. It appears that they didn't deploy during the first touchdown (probably still had thrust in), but only the flight spoilers came out during the bounce. It looks to me like someone in the cockpit manually moved the lever to "up."

Just a guess.
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If you look closely at the F/O, he leans over after the bounce, which to me looks like the manual operation of the levers.
 
queeno said:
They all look GREAT to me, whats that old saying " a good landing is one you can walk away from and a great landing is one where you can use the aircraft again"
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Here is a 767 landing which resulted in a write off. Landing on the nosewheel is bad, mmmkay. Unless its the An-124, but you know, Russia.
 
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